[Owasp-leaders] Speakers at Appsec conferences
tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
Fri Sep 12 00:04:13 UTC 2014
if I read correctly, Steven was asking about hotel costs. Not all travel
So the numbers might not be as bad.
For the other questions:
I think they are very valid questions. And I agree with you, that the
financial side must work out.
Regarding some of your questions: We could do a survey of the current
speakers at AppSec USA to find out about question #3 and maybe also get
an idea about the others?
On 11/09/14 21:54, Michael Coates wrote:
> Hope all is well and it will be great to catch up in Denver.
> I always enjoy new ideas and discussion. I have a few questions about
> your idea.
> 1. Do we have any indication that quality speakers aren't applying
> because travel / hotel is not covered?
> 2. Do you think the quality of speakers would increase if travel costs
> were covered?
> 3. How many of the speakers do you think are paying for their travel
> out of pocket versus having it covered as a business expense?
> 4. Would you support an increase in ticket prices to cover the costs
> of speakers? If not, where would you suggest the costs be covered?
> A bit of cost planning:
> AppSecUSA has 79 people listed on the speakers tab. Let's assume
> travel as $900 per person ($500 airfare + 2 nights hotel at $200
> night). That comes out to $71,000.
> Cost increase per attendee:
> 500 attendees +$142 per ticket
> 1000 attendees +$71 per ticket
> Michael Coates
> Chairman, OWASP Board
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Steven van der Baan
> <steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org <mailto:steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org>>
> hi Leaders,
> I've got a question for you all and it is regarding speakers at Appsec
> I am of the opinion that we should cover expenses for speakers
> that are
> presenting at Appsec conferences. At the moment this is not the
> case and
> I truly believe that this is wrong. I think that if OWASP wants the
> AppSec conferences to grow in size, we should also give the speakers
> more than just an entrance ticket. I would like to see that also
> some of
> the expenses are covered. This is currently only done for the keynote
> speakers. I agree that the keynote speakers should be handled more
> special, but they are only the 'cherry on the cake'. It's the speakers
> that 'make the cake' and without good speakers you will have a
> lousy cake.
> I know that conferences like HitB and BlackHat/Defcon provide hotel
> expenses next to the entrance fee (with BH and Defcon you can choose
> between more badges or money). And they do get a large number of
> attendees, especially due to the numbers and quality of their
> This is what I would like to see with the OWASP Appsec conferences as
> well. Being known for outstanding speakers and at the same time
> attracting more attendees. Reflecting back at taking part in
> Appsec EU 2014, the attendee numbers where really low for a long time
> (below 100 up to two weeks before the conference). Thought it did pick
> up in the last two weeks, i firmly believe that these numbers could
> easily have been doubled if we take more care of our speakers.
> I know that I have a personal stake in this as I'm one of the speakers
> at Appsec USA. But it should not only be an honour to speak at an
> conference, we as OWASP should actively support this knowledge sharing
> by stimulating speakers and meet them with their expenses and take
> of the hotel for them. I am aware that in the current model the Appsec
> conferences are used to generate revenue for the foundation, but I
> am a
> firm believer that you first have to spend money to make money: to
> invest into the speakers, which in turn will attract more
> attendees and
> therefore generate more income.
> Below are two tweets that I quickly found searching online about this.
> These tweets are from non OWASP members
> I'd love to see this change happen.
> OWASP-Leaders mailing list
> OWASP-Leaders at lists.owasp.org <mailto:OWASP-Leaders at lists.owasp.org>
> OWASP-Leaders mailing list
> OWASP-Leaders at lists.owasp.org
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