[Owasp-leaders] Speakers at Appsec conferences

Michael Coates michael.coates at owasp.org
Thu Sep 11 22:42:10 UTC 2014


For everyone's reference:

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding#Community_Engagement_Funding_Rules



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Michael Coates
Chairman, OWASP Board
@_mwc


On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hi Tobias,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  So what is the rule for paying for travel expenses?
>  It seems a bit murky / arbitrary right now.  Also, is there a rule for
> board member's travel?
>
> Thanks!
> Jerry
>
> --
> Jerry Hoff
> @jerryhoff
> jerry at owasp.org
>
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Jerry,
>
> hm. I can see some good reasons where I would like to pay for some
> speaker's travel expenses.
>
> (before starting: up to this date, I was in the fortunate position that I
> never needed to ask for money from OWASP for travel in my function as board
> member or speaker. And I think if other funding is available to a person,
> that should be used first and leave more money for the foundation's work.)
>
> Having said that, I very much think that this situation can be very
> different for other speakers and paying for a regional flight or hotel can
> be a massive burden on a speaker's holiday budget. And many speakers don't
> have company expense budgets and could not afford to do this basically
> using their year holiday budgets to speak at an OWASP conference - even
> though OWASP is great fun, the spouses may not agree that this justifies
> spending all their holiday money on OWASP without them.
>
> Some examples where I think it is very good that OWASP can pay speaker
> travel (flight and/or hotel):
> - chapters inviting specific speakers to present at their chapter event
> about topics that are exciting for their community
> - AppSec conferences: frankly quite a few of external keynote speakers
> will require travel expenses to be paid. Otherwise they would have to pay
> out of their private pocket and not come.
> - OWASP tours where we help bring speakers from within a region to
> different chapters to present OWASP topics there and exchange ideas
> - allow chapter leaders and project leaders to attend chapter and project
> workshops (e.g. at AppSec conferences) to help further improve their
> chapters and projects.
>
> IMHO, these are good reasons to support travel for speakers if necessary
> and if it can be afforded by the hosting chapter.
>
> Just my 2cents.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias
>
>
>
> On 11/09/14 22:22, Jerry Hoff wrote:
>
> I agree completely - I'm very much against OWASP paying for anyone's
> travel - speaker, board members, guests (obviously excluding staff) ....
>
>  Absolutely everyone should pay their own travel IMO. The benefit is the
> opportunity is to speak in front of the OWASP audience.
>
> Can anyone give a good reason why OWASP pays for some member's travel
> expenses?
>
> --
> Jerry Hoff
> jerry at owasp.com
> @jerryhoff
>
> On Sep 11, 2014, at 14:11, johanna curiel curiel <johanna.curiel at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>   Defcon has a very different approach
>
>  Entree USD 220,-
> Speakers pay their own cost I think
>
>  But why are they so darn good? Better than BH with all due respect. BH
> entree is between 1800-2500 for the briefings of 2 days
> and Defcon is 4 days!
>
>  Defcon is very cool...(and cost 10x less but you get 10x fun)
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>>  Given the foundation has 300k in the bank I don't see why we can't cast
>> the net wider to include more speakers. It helps the foundations mission to
>> spread the word and have high quality speakers at our events.
>>
>>
>> Eoin Keary
>> Owasp Global Board
>> +353 87 977 2988 <%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>
>>
>> On 11 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Steven,
>>
>>  Hope all is well and it will be great to catch up in Denver.
>>
>>  I always enjoy new ideas and discussion. I have a few questions about
>> your idea.
>>
>>
>>  1. Do we have any indication that quality speakers aren't applying
>> because travel / hotel is not covered?
>>
>>  2. Do you think the quality of speakers would increase if travel costs
>> were covered?
>>
>>  3. How many of the speakers do you think are paying for their travel
>> out of pocket versus having it covered as a business expense?
>>
>>  4. Would you support an increase in ticket prices to cover the costs of
>> speakers? If not, where would you suggest the costs be covered?
>>
>>  A bit of cost planning:
>> AppSecUSA has 79 people listed on the speakers tab.  Let's assume travel
>> as $900 per person ($500 airfare + 2 nights hotel at $200 night). That
>> comes out to $71,000.
>>
>>  Cost increase per attendee:
>> 500 attendees +$142 per ticket
>> 1000 attendees +$71 per ticket
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Coates
>> Chairman, OWASP Board
>> @_mwc
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Steven van der Baan <
>> steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> hi Leaders,
>>>
>>> I've got a question for you all and it is regarding speakers at Appsec
>>> conferences.
>>>
>>> I am of the opinion that we should cover expenses for speakers that are
>>> presenting at Appsec conferences. At the moment this is not the case and
>>> I truly believe that this is wrong. I think that if OWASP wants the
>>> AppSec conferences to grow in size, we should also give the speakers
>>> more than just an entrance ticket. I would like to see that also some of
>>> the expenses are covered. This is currently only done for the keynote
>>> speakers. I agree that the keynote speakers should be handled more
>>> special, but they are only the 'cherry on the cake'. It's the speakers
>>> that 'make the cake' and without good speakers you will have a lousy
>>> cake.
>>>
>>> I know that conferences like HitB and BlackHat/Defcon provide hotel
>>> expenses next to the entrance fee (with BH and Defcon you can choose
>>> between more badges or money). And they do get a large number of
>>> attendees, especially due to the numbers and quality of their speakers.
>>> This is what I would like to see with the OWASP Appsec conferences as
>>> well. Being known for outstanding speakers and at the same time
>>> attracting more attendees. Reflecting back at taking part in organising
>>> Appsec EU 2014, the attendee numbers where really low for a long time
>>> (below 100 up to two weeks before the conference). Thought it did pick
>>> up in the last two weeks, i firmly believe that these numbers could
>>> easily have been doubled if we take more care of our speakers.
>>>
>>> I know that I have a personal stake in this as I'm one of the speakers
>>> at Appsec USA. But it should not only be an honour to speak at an OWASP
>>> conference, we as OWASP should actively support this knowledge sharing
>>> by stimulating speakers and meet them with their expenses and take care
>>> of the hotel for them. I am aware that in the current model the Appsec
>>> conferences are used to generate revenue for the foundation, but I am a
>>> firm believer that you first have to spend money to make money: to
>>> invest into the speakers, which in turn will attract more attendees and
>>> therefore generate more income.
>>>
>>> Below are two tweets that I quickly found searching online about this.
>>> These tweets are from non OWASP members
>>> https://twitter.com/MatiasKatz/status/323490014136791041
>>> https://twitter.com/notsosecure/status/478912487182827520
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd love to see this change happen.
>>>
>>> Steven.
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