[Owasp-leaders] Speakers at Appsec conferences

Jerry Hoff jerry at owasp.org
Thu Sep 11 22:10:31 UTC 2014


Hi Tobias,

Thanks for the reply.  So what is the rule for paying for travel expenses?  It seems a bit murky / arbitrary right now.  Also, is there a rule for board member's travel? 

Thanks!
Jerry

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Jerry Hoff
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jerry at owasp.org



On Sep 11, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hi Jerry, 
> 
> hm. I can see some good reasons where I would like to pay for some speaker's travel expenses. 
> 
> (before starting: up to this date, I was in the fortunate position that I never needed to ask for money from OWASP for travel in my function as board member or speaker. And I think if other funding is available to a person, that should be used first and leave more money for the foundation's work.)
> 
> Having said that, I very much think that this situation can be very different for other speakers and paying for a regional flight or hotel can be a massive burden on a speaker's holiday budget. And many speakers don't have company expense budgets and could not afford to do this basically using their year holiday budgets to speak at an OWASP conference - even though OWASP is great fun, the spouses may not agree that this justifies spending all their holiday money on OWASP without them. 
> 
> Some examples where I think it is very good that OWASP can pay speaker travel (flight and/or hotel): 
> - chapters inviting specific speakers to present at their chapter event about topics that are exciting for their community
> - AppSec conferences: frankly quite a few of external keynote speakers will require travel expenses to be paid. Otherwise they would have to pay out of their private pocket and not come. 
> - OWASP tours where we help bring speakers from within a region to different chapters to present OWASP topics there and exchange ideas
> - allow chapter leaders and project leaders to attend chapter and project workshops (e.g. at AppSec conferences) to help further improve their chapters and projects. 
> 
> IMHO, these are good reasons to support travel for speakers if necessary and if it can be afforded by the hosting chapter. 
> 
> Just my 2cents. 
> 
> Best wishes, Tobias
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/09/14 22:22, Jerry Hoff wrote:
>> I agree completely - I'm very much against OWASP paying for anyone's travel - speaker, board members, guests (obviously excluding staff) .... 
>> 
>> Absolutely everyone should pay their own travel IMO. The benefit is the opportunity is to speak in front of the OWASP audience. 
>> 
>> Can anyone give a good reason why OWASP pays for some member's travel expenses?
>> 
>> --
>> Jerry Hoff
>> jerry at owasp.com
>> @jerryhoff
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 14:11, johanna curiel curiel <johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Defcon has a very different approach
>>> 
>>> Entree USD 220,-
>>> Speakers pay their own cost I think
>>> 
>>> But why are they so darn good? Better than BH with all due respect. BH entree is between 1800-2500 for the briefings of 2 days
>>> and Defcon is 4 days!
>>> 
>>> Defcon is very cool...(and cost 10x less but you get 10x fun)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Given the foundation has 300k in the bank I don't see why we can't cast the net wider to include more speakers. It helps the foundations mission to spread the word and have high quality speakers at our events.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Eoin Keary
>>> Owasp Global Board
>>> +353 87 977 2988
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Steven,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope all is well and it will be great to catch up in Denver.
>>>> 
>>>> I always enjoy new ideas and discussion. I have a few questions about your idea. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Do we have any indication that quality speakers aren't applying because travel / hotel is not covered?  
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Do you think the quality of speakers would increase if travel costs were covered?
>>>> 
>>>> 3. How many of the speakers do you think are paying for their travel out of pocket versus having it covered as a business expense?
>>>> 
>>>> 4. Would you support an increase in ticket prices to cover the costs of speakers? If not, where would you suggest the costs be covered?
>>>> 
>>>> A bit of cost planning:
>>>> AppSecUSA has 79 people listed on the speakers tab.  Let's assume travel as $900 per person ($500 airfare + 2 nights hotel at $200 night). That comes out to $71,000.
>>>> 
>>>> Cost increase per attendee:
>>>> 500 attendees +$142 per ticket
>>>> 1000 attendees +$71 per ticket
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Coates
>>>> Chairman, OWASP Board
>>>> @_mwc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Steven van der Baan <steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> hi Leaders,
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a question for you all and it is regarding speakers at Appsec
>>>> conferences.
>>>> 
>>>> I am of the opinion that we should cover expenses for speakers that are
>>>> presenting at Appsec conferences. At the moment this is not the case and
>>>> I truly believe that this is wrong. I think that if OWASP wants the
>>>> AppSec conferences to grow in size, we should also give the speakers
>>>> more than just an entrance ticket. I would like to see that also some of
>>>> the expenses are covered. This is currently only done for the keynote
>>>> speakers. I agree that the keynote speakers should be handled more
>>>> special, but they are only the 'cherry on the cake'. It's the speakers
>>>> that 'make the cake' and without good speakers you will have a lousy cake.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that conferences like HitB and BlackHat/Defcon provide hotel
>>>> expenses next to the entrance fee (with BH and Defcon you can choose
>>>> between more badges or money). And they do get a large number of
>>>> attendees, especially due to the numbers and quality of their speakers.
>>>> This is what I would like to see with the OWASP Appsec conferences as
>>>> well. Being known for outstanding speakers and at the same time
>>>> attracting more attendees. Reflecting back at taking part in organising
>>>> Appsec EU 2014, the attendee numbers where really low for a long time
>>>> (below 100 up to two weeks before the conference). Thought it did pick
>>>> up in the last two weeks, i firmly believe that these numbers could
>>>> easily have been doubled if we take more care of our speakers.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that I have a personal stake in this as I'm one of the speakers
>>>> at Appsec USA. But it should not only be an honour to speak at an OWASP
>>>> conference, we as OWASP should actively support this knowledge sharing
>>>> by stimulating speakers and meet them with their expenses and take care
>>>> of the hotel for them. I am aware that in the current model the Appsec
>>>> conferences are used to generate revenue for the foundation, but I am a
>>>> firm believer that you first have to spend money to make money: to
>>>> invest into the speakers, which in turn will attract more attendees and
>>>> therefore generate more income.
>>>> 
>>>> Below are two tweets that I quickly found searching online about this.
>>>> These tweets are from non OWASP members
>>>> https://twitter.com/MatiasKatz/status/323490014136791041
>>>> https://twitter.com/notsosecure/status/478912487182827520
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd love to see this change happen.
>>>> 
>>>> Steven.
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