[Owasp-leaders] Speakers at Appsec conferences

Azeddine Islam Mennouchi azeddine.mennouchi at owasp.org
Thu Sep 11 21:08:05 UTC 2014

sure :D you were great in Math Michael :D
I think Stev. has a point almost all the confs. pay a part of the expenses
(if not full expenses)
Not all companies have the same policy not all people get sponsored by
there companies

Sponsoring some people would be great I think

Regards Islam,

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>

> Steven,
> Hope all is well and it will be great to catch up in Denver.
> I always enjoy new ideas and discussion. I have a few questions about your
> idea.
> 1. Do we have any indication that quality speakers aren't applying because
> travel / hotel is not covered?
> 2. Do you think the quality of speakers would increase if travel costs
> were covered?
> 3. How many of the speakers do you think are paying for their travel out
> of pocket versus having it covered as a business expense?
> 4. Would you support an increase in ticket prices to cover the costs of
> speakers? If not, where would you suggest the costs be covered?
> A bit of cost planning:
> AppSecUSA has 79 people listed on the speakers tab.  Let's assume travel
> as $900 per person ($500 airfare + 2 nights hotel at $200 night). That
> comes out to $71,000.
> Cost increase per attendee:
> 500 attendees +$142 per ticket
> 1000 attendees +$71 per ticket
> --
> Michael Coates
> Chairman, OWASP Board
> @_mwc
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Steven van der Baan <
> steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org> wrote:
>> hi Leaders,
>> I've got a question for you all and it is regarding speakers at Appsec
>> conferences.
>> I am of the opinion that we should cover expenses for speakers that are
>> presenting at Appsec conferences. At the moment this is not the case and
>> I truly believe that this is wrong. I think that if OWASP wants the
>> AppSec conferences to grow in size, we should also give the speakers
>> more than just an entrance ticket. I would like to see that also some of
>> the expenses are covered. This is currently only done for the keynote
>> speakers. I agree that the keynote speakers should be handled more
>> special, but they are only the 'cherry on the cake'. It's the speakers
>> that 'make the cake' and without good speakers you will have a lousy cake.
>> I know that conferences like HitB and BlackHat/Defcon provide hotel
>> expenses next to the entrance fee (with BH and Defcon you can choose
>> between more badges or money). And they do get a large number of
>> attendees, especially due to the numbers and quality of their speakers.
>> This is what I would like to see with the OWASP Appsec conferences as
>> well. Being known for outstanding speakers and at the same time
>> attracting more attendees. Reflecting back at taking part in organising
>> Appsec EU 2014, the attendee numbers where really low for a long time
>> (below 100 up to two weeks before the conference). Thought it did pick
>> up in the last two weeks, i firmly believe that these numbers could
>> easily have been doubled if we take more care of our speakers.
>> I know that I have a personal stake in this as I'm one of the speakers
>> at Appsec USA. But it should not only be an honour to speak at an OWASP
>> conference, we as OWASP should actively support this knowledge sharing
>> by stimulating speakers and meet them with their expenses and take care
>> of the hotel for them. I am aware that in the current model the Appsec
>> conferences are used to generate revenue for the foundation, but I am a
>> firm believer that you first have to spend money to make money: to
>> invest into the speakers, which in turn will attract more attendees and
>> therefore generate more income.
>> Below are two tweets that I quickly found searching online about this.
>> These tweets are from non OWASP members
>> https://twitter.com/MatiasKatz/status/323490014136791041
>> https://twitter.com/notsosecure/status/478912487182827520
>> I'd love to see this change happen.
>> Steven.
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Islam Azeddine Mennouchi
Consultant at ITS
OWASP ALGERIA Chapter Leader
phone n°: +213658227651
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