[Owasp-leaders] [Governance] [OWASP ASVS] Obfuscation?

Yvan Boily yvanboily at gmail.com
Sat Nov 8 02:50:42 UTC 2014

Technical contributions don't excuse abusive behavior.  Full stop.  If that
is up for debate, OWASP might as well throw in the towel.  If there are
other people using abusive language or treating others poorly, the leaders
should *be* leaders, and call them out on it, and hold them accountable.
If people can't or won't function as a leader, then they should consider
the role they are fulfilling in the community... not everyone need be a
leader, individual contributors are critical as well.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Achim <achim at owasp.org> wrote:

> commenting on Josh's statement:
> Am 07.11.2014 23:32, schrieb Josh Sokol:
> > To answer Christian's question, the Board received multiple complaints
> from
> > members of the OWASP Foundation accusing him of posting e-mails to the
> > OWASP Leaders list containing rude and abusive language and false
> > accusations.  We asked our Compliance Officer to review the complaints,
> > determine whether they are accurate, and determine whether the posts were
> > in conflict with the OWASP Code of Ethics.  The conclusion was that the
> > complaints were accurate and the posts were in conflict with the OWASP
> Code
> > of Conduct and the recommendation was for the Board to define appropriate
> > measures as a result of his actions and to make an official public
> > statement.
> This statement is probably not wrong, but it's also just part of the truth.
> And hence, without telling more of the true facts, may give a wrong
> impression
> of the case.
>   * We all know, that not only Christian used rude and abusive language,
> but
>     also other OWASP members. If in doubt, just go through the mailing list
>     archive ;-)
>   * It's not worth to nitpick "who was first", there are more than one
> person
>     involved (for whatever reason).
>   * If there is a conclusion based on the the Compliance Officer's
> investigations,
>     then the results needs to be made public (at least on various mailing
> list),
>     otherwise members, leaders, whoever will continue to ask. Also, without
>     publishing, anything is nearly a myth, sorry.
> Said this, I'd really like that everyone calms down, and continue with fair
> interaction. Just expressing old opinions again and again does not help to
> solve the conflict but adds fuel to the fire.
> Calm down and behave like gentlemen.
> Hope to see positive wordings in future ...
> Ciao
> Achim
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