[Owasp-leaders] Measuring Intent and Funding Things

Samantha Groves samantha.groves at owasp.org
Tue Mar 25 04:43:03 UTC 2014


Sorry, rules of engagement can be found here:
https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Samantha Groves
<samantha.groves at owasp.org>wrote:

> We have about $18,000 available for project development:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Community_Engagement_-_Payments
>
> I just need to update this page with what has already been spent.
>
> In regard to ordering the books... what are these for? I ask because there
> might be another budget this expense will come from if they fall under
> another category.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Cool how much is it and what are the rules of engagement?
>>
>> Can I start by ordering 10x copies of OpenSAMM and 10x copies of latest
>> top 10?
>> On 24 Mar 2014 14:55, "Samantha Groves" <samantha.groves at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just an FYI... There is a project fund bucket that was given to us this
>>> year. It is not much, but it is a start. The question now is... What do you
>>> want to do with it?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Yvan Boily <yvanboily at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I fully support using chapter funds to produce materials for OWASP
>>>> chapters, chapter leads, and to support projects and stuff.
>>>>
>>>> What I am looking for here is to find a way to fund the production of
>>>> OWASP branded materials for non-OWASP stuff, for example if I want a case
>>>> of OWASP cheat sheets that are professionally produced so I can have our HR
>>>> team include them in the new hire kit for every new dev my employer hires,
>>>> OWASP shouldn't foot the bill for that :)  (something like this -
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Introduction-Reference-Instructions-Shortcuts/dp/1936220156/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1395336990&sr=8-14&keywords=cheat+sheetas opposed to a simple sheet of paper).
>>>>
>>>> I guess maybe I am looking for a way to vote with my wallet for stuff
>>>> that might eventually be available as a general order product (which I
>>>> suspect will raise hackles, but hey, if OWASP doesn't do it, someone else
>>>> will, and pocket the money instead of investing it in community projects).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think having those professional materials are super important for
>>>>> OWASP and I also tend to have the OpenSAMM printed book at hand since
>>>>> it one of most professional ones we have :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So yes, Yvan you are spot on (from my point of view) on your analysis
>>>>> and OWASP should be helping to pay for those materials (specially since
>>>>> they are an investment into the OWASP brand, and who knows how many new
>>>>> members and conference attendees we would get from the recipients of
>>>>> those materials)
>>>>>
>>>>> My view is that we should be using some of the OWASP funds (currently
>>>>> available) to pay for this type of materials (so that our leaders can
>>>>> distribute it). I'm still waiting for the idea of '*OWASP Projects
>>>>> Funds bucket*' or '*OWASP Chapters Funds bucket'* so that us (the
>>>>> OWASP leaders) can 'just get on with it' and distribute the great stuff
>>>>> that is created at OWASP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically Yvan should be able to quickly order the materials he
>>>>> mentions below (all from a global fund that is available to all OWASP
>>>>> leaders).
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what I tried to do with the OWASP GSD project<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_GSD_Project>,and
>>>>> as you can see on https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_GSD_Projectthat money has been put to good use (
>>>>> Yvan I think there is still some in there, so feel free to use it).
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW.. and if we can't get the 'OWASP Projects Funds bucket' setup in
>>>>> the next months, *what about topping up the GSD projects fund?*
>>>>>
>>>>> Dinis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 March 2014 12:22, Yvan Boily <yvanboily at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Leaders,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After seeing Jim's post about Cornucopia and buying a couple of
>>>>>> copies of the nicely produced OpenSAMM documents at AppSecEU last year, I
>>>>>> was about to post a response, but I realized that I had a bigger question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For BSidesVancouver this year we used crowd-funding and I learned
>>>>>> that it is a powerful way for the community involved with that to signal
>>>>>> intent about priorities when organizing the event.  It worked out really
>>>>>> well, and allowed us to keep our event 100% free for those who couldn't or
>>>>>> chose not to pay to attend.  Since it was super successful, I pretty much
>>>>>> drank the crowd funding kool-aid.   Later this year some gaming (as in
>>>>>> playing dungeons and dragons every sunday night) folks and I will be
>>>>>> running a separate kickstarter to collect funds to print something that we
>>>>>> have been working on as a hobby; we have had a number of people say they
>>>>>> would buy a copy, but using crowdfunding will allow us to figure out how
>>>>>> much to spend on printing stuff and potentially allow us to get a higher
>>>>>> volume printed so we can reduce the unit cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to this, I have pitched using crowd-funding to fund the
>>>>>> development of high quality training materials to at least one other OWASP
>>>>>> leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone else in the OWASP community investigated using
>>>>>> crowd-funding via Indie Go-Go, Kickstarter, or others to measure intent and
>>>>>> make physical copies of things available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason I ask is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * I would like a professionally manufactured version of Cornucopia (I
>>>>>> am talking print quality, not anything else).  This is expensive.  Also, I
>>>>>> want about 12 copies, not 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * I love the quality of the OpenSAMM guide; I literally carry it
>>>>>> around with me when I am attending security meetups and cons where I might
>>>>>> talk about OWASP because it's production values are simply superb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * I really wish I could buy (by the case) professional quality
>>>>>> printouts of the OWASP cheat sheets to give devs in my community, and at
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things are expensive to produce (both the cost of
>>>>>> manufacturing, and the cost of producing good quality print materials).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this something that people are interested in looking at it?  Is it
>>>>>> a viable option?  Are people going to freak out[1] for my suggesting it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Yvan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] omg drama talking about crowdfunding in some other communities I
>>>>>> am involved with (gaming, local activism, etc)
>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>
>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>
>>>
>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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> --
>
> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>
> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>
>
> The OWASP Foundation
>
> Phoenix, USA
>
> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>
> Skype: samanthahz
>
>
> OWASP Global Projects<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project>
>
> Book a Meeting with Me <http://goo.gl/mZXdZ>
>
> OWASP Contact US Form <http://owasp4.owasp.org/contactus.html>
>
> New Project Application Form <http://www.tfaforms.com/263506>
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>
>
>


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*Samantha Groves, MBA*

*OWASP Projects Manager*


The OWASP Foundation

Phoenix, USA

Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org

Skype: samanthahz


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