[Owasp-leaders] In Samantha's words: "Why I resigned my role at OWASP"

Timur 'x' Khrotko (owasp) timur at owasp.org
Mon Jun 16 14:16:09 UTC 2014

(There is a new branch of the thread below by Joanna, I react to a previous
state of discourse.)

Dear Martin,

as I already suggested in the other thread -- without any knowledge of
details but seeing that panic button was pushed to end Samantha's access to
community -- that a bad management decision has been made. That the
management's decision to treat Samantha this way may harm the spirit of the
community and possibly harm its competitiveness.

It is understood that legal/official course of action dictates certain
manners and choreography. But there is risk that management of OWASP takes
itself too seriously as if OWASP was an average corporation.

If management of OWASP goes further in behaving like the responsible head
detached from the body it can lead to new OWASP which will be uncomfortable
to belong to for some of us.

I oppose your proposition, Martin, as being operatively clever and right
but harmful in long run. The root cause of damage of the "Samantha's letter
from exile" made public (already fact) is the management of her exit, and
should be dealt with as a fair difficulty by the troubled decision makers.

Our eye now on how the Board and the leader's community manage this serious
crisis further and what changes will this course of action bring to OWASP

I personally offer not only my trolling but my participation in the crisis
management too if needed.

On Jun 16, 2014 3:53 PM, "johanna curiel curiel" <johanna.curiel at owasp.org>

> So Did Sarah lied when she said she was leaving because of the baby?
> Why didn't Samantha mentioned this before? Why now after she quit?
> What are the proofs that all these accusations are true until the case
> resolves?
> What kind of conclusions, as a volunteer and member of OWASP do I have to
> make out of this conflict between the Board vs Samantha?
>  I have too many questions and I don't see how this helps to build a
> community of volunteers.
> I think if you all wanted to wash the dirty laundry, Samantha and the
> board should have spoken a way to do this in front of the community.
> This all seems very low to me.
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:
>> well the email Martin mentions below is not the one I re posted on behalf
>> of Samantha. The email Martin talks about is the one Samantha sent to the
>> board and contains the original charges (of which the main ones have been
>> dropped).
>> I didn't shared that email since I was not involved in that thread and
>> did not have direct approval do so also (so I respected the parties wishes
>> involved (including Martin's)).
>> That email was posted on direct request by Samantha, which again she
>> would had done herself if she still had access to her email (and btw, that
>> is something that should be changed, since I don't see why shouldn't
>> Samantha still have access to her OWASP email account (and I would trust
>> her to be sensible in using it)).
>> Finally, if the board takes the 'very dangerous' step of removing this
>> thread from the OWASP Leaders archive (which would be quite a step on the
>> wrong direction), I also posted a copy of it on my blog (
>> http://blog.diniscruz.com/2014/06/in-samanthas-words-why-i-resigned-my.html
>> ).
>> Dinis
>> On 16 June 2014 14:12, <martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> All,
>>> As Compliant officer, following the OWASP policy, this is what I think
>>> of it:
>>> The wording in the email from Samantha, made public by Dinis, accusing.
>>> To make public accusations is conflicting with the OWASP policy. Even
>>> more, one point of Samantha's accusation as the policy has been broken
>>> against her. Whereby this a at least evenly if not more serious accusations.
>>> Furthermore, the case filed by Samantha is ongoing. This means to be
>>> proven right or wrong. This email can harm the interest of Samantha in this
>>> case, as can been seen as publicly harassment of members of the board.
>>> As Dinis is forwarding this as email from Samantha, there is no chance
>>> to probably response to this, as the board is in contact with Samantha via
>>> delegates.
>>> Last week I have asked Dinis, as friend, not to post anything regarding
>>> this case as this is not helping Samantha, OWASP nor the case.
>>>  I am sorry Dinis to fail following my friendly advice.
>>> Being personally against all sort of censure, I cannot do other than
>>> advice the board to file this email and remove it from the public list.
>>> Last not least, I ask all not to reply to this email. The case is under
>>> investigation via me as compliance officer and the responsible government
>>> instance. At conclusion of this case, an official report and statement will
>>> be made public.
>>> With kind regards,
>>> -martin
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org>
>>> Sender: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:53:58
>>> To: Eoin Keary<eoin.keary at owasp.org>
>>> Cc: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org<owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-leaders] In Samantha's words: "Why I resigned my
>>> role at
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