[Owasp-leaders] OWASP Board Election - What do you want in a board candidate?

Sarah Baso sarah.baso at owasp.org
Tue Jul 15 16:28:03 UTC 2014

All -

Sorry I am just getting to this thread, as I was out yesterday for the
latter part of the day.


1. Kelly is in the process of following up with the candidates to see if
they have any issues with posting their information to the wiki now instead
of the August 19th date, which was posted to the election timeline.

2. Election committee or volunteers - awesome, if people want to step up
and get involved/help out, this is more than welcome.  Sign up here

3. Changing the election timeline/rules stated on the election page -
generally, no problem to evaluate and make changes year to year.  I did not
think it was appropriate to change mid-cycle based on a board request
without good reason, especially since there were multiple opportunities for
the board to comment and make adjustments before the call for candidates in
early May.


I am going to back up a bit and explain some of the other background on
this for those of you looking for more information:

The board election pages, going back to 2009, have been tagged with the
Board Election category for easy access to previous years: [[Category:Board
Elections]] <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:Board_Elections>

Elections generally were overseen by the membership committee and
increasingly since Kelly Santalucia became involved with the Foundation and
providing support to the membership committee (before its closing), she
provided the primary operational support driving timelines, workflow and
communicating clear expectations about the election.  Dan Cornell has also
been instrumental in volunteering to help with the election itself,
liaising with simply voting.

In the past, Kelly has asked for volunteer help (and there was an
initiative for volunteers to sign up, which no one had signed up for - I
have now reposted that initiative and anyone interested can sign up:
http://owasp.force.com/volunteers/GW_Volunteers__VolunteersJobListing ).
 Dan Cornell has been great about helping as needed with the actual set up
in Simply Voting and Mark Miller has volunteered to do the candidate
interviews this year.  Certainly , if others are willing to take on the
policy and procedures of the election, that would be welcome.

In terms of the posting/not posting of candidates immediately, up to last
year, candidates just added their name and why me to the wiki page.  There
seemed to be a small amount of candidates putting themselves into the
running (especially outside of incumbents).  So, last year we (the
operations team) decided to try a new approach to see if it made a
difference in the number of candidates.  This was based on some informal
feedback of individuals who said they were interested in the position, but
based on the others that already had submitted their name, they didn't
think they were popular enough to win... so they didn't even try.  We
decided to keep all the names and why me's of the people running until the
submission deadline and then post the people that submitted.  There was a
much larger pool of applicants (more than double), which seemed like a
success. Although, admittedly there can be many reasons for more applicants
outside of the one we thought might be the case...

This year, we followed the same process as last year and included a review
of this for the Board of Directors, and no responses or feedback was
received on the election page. The time for that level of feedback was back
when it was requested during the April Board meeting (

*I fully acknowledge that we (the operations team) or me (leading that
team) could have and should have done better in reaching out to the
community as a whole for feedback on the process.  I apologize for that
mistake, because all of you have meaningful and important feedback that was

I hope that OWASP can move forward with an improved workflow for this -
taking into consideration where we are currently at and what we have
learned.  I think it is appropriate for community members that are
interested in this initiative to get involved in the process and policies
surrounding the election, and work with Kelly to implement.  Sign up here
<http://owasp.force.com/volunteers/GW_Volunteers__VolunteersJobListing> to
get involved now. Additionally, *Kelly is in the process of reaching out to
all the current candidates to get their ok in posting their name and why me
on the wiki page.  *

Since we are mid-cycle and expectations have been posted on the wiki page,
I and support Kelly with not releasing this list until we receive the
candidate authorizations.

I do support changes to the workflow and involvement of the community
(outside of the Board and current candidates).

If there are more questions, happy to answer them!


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:

> So Are the nominees going to be released before the nomination deadline or
> no?
> I think this is a fair question many leaders are asking.
> On 15 July 2014 00:53, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Tony,
>> Just to clarify, the OWASP staff strongly supports the mission and I've
>> seen that many times over.
>> The election process has evolved year of year and every action is taken
>> with the best intent to build and foster a great pool of candidates.
>> Although we're a bit late in the game (e.g. mid process) we can still hold
>> a thoughtful discussion if we should make adjustments. It's never ideal to
>> change something midstream, but let's just consider that in the risk /
>> benefit.
>> So, as Josh correctly mentioned, let's have interested people work with
>> Kelly/ops team and create the elections group to jointly determine if there
>> should be a change. The ops team has done a great job so far and if
>> something should be considered to change then please work together to do so.
>> Glad to see all the energy and interest!
>> --
>> Michael Coates
>> @_mwc
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I'm all for a reduction in committee bloat. I don't think we need more
>>> committees. It's a simple issue. OWASP should be and historically has been
>>> committed to openness. I'd simply call for staff to support the OWASP
>>> mission. Be open.
>>>  On Jul 14, 2014 5:48 PM, "Jim Manico" <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>  Exactly, Eoin. The current staff runs the board election process. The
>>>> board is, by design, keeping OUT of the board elections operation decision
>>>> making process.
>>>> The staff did ask the board to help spread awareness about the election
>>>> and to encourage other qualifying leaders to run for the board. So huzzah
>>>> to that. https://www.owasp.org/index.php/2014_Board_Elections
>>>> Perhaps we should consider an election committee instead of making this
>>>> solely staff run in the future? What do you think Tony? Certainly I do not
>>>> think the board should be involved due to conflict of interest as well as
>>>> just regular ol separation of duties between board and staff.
>>>> Aloha,
>>>> Jim
>>>>  Good question: I asked other Board/ED if we could publish the
>>>> nominees. Answer was election is nothing to do with board but staff run - I
>>>> agree 100%
>>>>  But publishing nominees is not "running" / interfering with the
>>>> election, I believe anyways :)
>>>> Eoin Keary
>>>> Owasp Global Board
>>>> +353 87 977 2988
>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 22:31, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>   Then why is Eoin stating this was a joint board/ED decision? I'm
>>>> confused. Which is it?
>>>> On Jul 14, 2014 5:15 PM, "Jim Manico" <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>  Tony,
>>>>> The elections were not at all board-run, they are 100% staff-run. In
>>>>> fact, the board specifically chose to keep out of election operations in
>>>>> order to ensure objectivity...
>>>>> - Jim
>>>>> On 7/14/14, 11:11 AM, Tony Turner wrote:
>>>>> Yes Eoin, but according to you, it's appears you are an outlier.
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2014 5:09 PM, "Eoin Keary" <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>  Rather cynical.
>>>>>> I'm board. Want open.
>>>>>> Eoin Keary
>>>>>> Owasp Global Board
>>>>>> +353 87 977 2988 <%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 21:56, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>   It seems to me that it's in the best interest of the board to keep
>>>>>> it closed. It's in the best interest of OWASP to keep it open. I'm not
>>>>>> accusing anyone of anything but I'd really like to know why this was
>>>>>> refused.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tony Turner
>>>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Leader
>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2014 4:53 PM, <martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> Last year, this has been done this wy the first time. If I recall
>>>>>>> correctly, it was said to be evaluated it this works better or less than
>>>>>>> the previous 'open candidate list' approach, but I cannot recall any
>>>>>>> evaluation what has worked better.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -martin
>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> Sender: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:42:54
>>>>>>> To: Matt Tesauro<matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: OWASP Leaders<owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-leaders] OWASP Board Election - What do you want
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>         board candidate?
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