[Owasp-leaders] RSA and the application of Justice

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Jan 8 08:34:57 UTC 2014

The mythopoetical depiction of justice throughout history is an interesting
study. The Roman depiction of Lady Justice is blindfolded. The Goddess Maat
and Isis were depicted with balanced scales during Egyptian times. Lady
Justice is also depicted with scales and sword as well as being blindfolded.

The point is that justice should be applied evenly, without regard to who
the punished is, to be dispensed evenly to all, with the same kind of

Make no mistake, the public pull-out of our marketing co-agreement with RSA
is a punishment that is harmful to the RSA brand.

What I feel we have done is enact “justice” through “the anger of the
masses” on an issue where the information is still being sorted out and,
ahem, **many** more are guilty of similar “sins” if not worse.

If we are to walk away from RSA, then we also need to give back or walk
away from our Department of Homeland Security grants. To “slap” one while
taking money from another I think is inconsistent wide-open targeted
justice that will hurt more than help us in the end. This is not blind
justice. I am NOT SAYING that RSA is innocent, in fact I am quite angry at
what RSA is alleged to have done. I am saying that many more are guilty and
we are not applying fair and consistent rules. We might also be acting “too
soon” before all the facts are on the table.

I am deeply in conflict of interest here because I am supposed to deliver
this training and I’m also a professional trainer. But I wanted to state my
nuanced position here that we should continue down the current path and
decide in the future to cancel this agreement and other agreements once the
facts are sorted out.

And last, we are supposed to be vendor-neutral. I am starting to question
the entire commercial conference partnership program.
https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference We might
want to cancel conference partnerships with any commercial conference due
to the vendor neutrality rules in our bylaws.

Thanks for your consideration over this matter. It’s not an easy one.


Jim Manico

OWASP Board Member


(808) 652-3806
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