[Owasp-leaders] Training & Donation

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Feb 17 21:10:44 UTC 2014


I'm surprised that a man of your intellectual prowess is equating
giving *some* free training at national conferences with not being
able to pay our full time staff. I will forgive this lack of logic
(and inability to use Google effectively).



Dirk, I'm past this and will focus my "free training" ambitions
elsewhere. I can see both sides of this and think your perspective is
reasonable, even if I disagree with your logic.

OWASP Germany has been one of the highest financially contributing
chapters globally. Thank you for all of your efforts.

Jim Manico
(808) 652-3805

> On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Dirk Wetter <dirk at owasp.org> wrote:
> Hey Jim,
> Am 02/17/2014 09:10 PM, schrieb Jim Manico:
>> Dirk,
>> I'm willing to focus my efforts around free training at places other
>> than large OWASP conferences. I'm working with BSides and similar
>> organizations for this purpose. I do not fully agree with the various
>> conference decisions, but I respect that I'm in minority here and will
>> honor OWASP leaderships desire around income preservation over
>> charitable giving.
> I am totally with you as far as the charitable-not-for-profit idea
> goes as long there's a solid idea how we make this happening.
> Whether we like it or not -- the world outside open source communities
> is not open source and with conferences and operations those two worlds
> cross, is the conflict: Simply speaking OWASP employees needs to get
> their pay checks, conference locations charge more or less a fortune.
> My not so humble guess is that other 501c3's face the same problems.
>> I see OWASP more as a trade-organization-not-for-profit than a
>> charitable-not-for-profit and recommend we change our 501c3 status to
>> reflect that.
> For a stupid overseas guy -- what's a trade-organization-not-for-profit?
> Cheers,
> Dirk
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