[Owasp-leaders] Training & Donation

psiinon psiinon at gmail.com
Mon Feb 3 09:49:19 UTC 2014


Sure :)

We'll take that conversation off this list ;)

Simon


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I think this is definitely a topic that would be interesting to hear the
> OWASP community voice.
>
> Simon, could you please help me out setting up a poll here:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Polls
>
> Thanks
> Fabio
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> You are missing the third and most important model, especially since we
>> are a charitable non-profit organization:
>>
>> 3) Free training for anyone
>>
>> It's this model, to my utter amazement, has been blocked a few times at
>> large OWASP conferences.
>>
>> There is also option four:
>>
>> 4) Increase the cost of admission, expand the training program, and offer
>> it to everyone as part of a new kind of "education" conference.
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> --
>> Jim Manico
>> @Manicode
>> (808) 652-3805
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>  I think technically that should not be a problem.
>> (e.g. our team could prepare a second type agreement text for the trainer
>> that does not contain a trainer fee, or sets the trainer fee to zero.)
>>
>> Btw. I note that there seem to be two models:
>> 1. all proceeds go to OWASP
>> 2. trainer receives maximum "expenses only" and the remaining proceeds go
>> to OWASP if that turns out in OWASP favor over the current split. (this
>> second one is a bit ambiguous and I guess we should define what that means
>> before we use that in class advertising)
>>
>> All the best, Tobias
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/02/14 16:13, Eoin Keary wrote:
>>
>> I think the option should be there. Is there anything prevention this
>> currently?
>>
>> Eoin Keary
>> Owasp Global Board
>> +353 87 977 2988
>>
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2014, at 14:34, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>   I'm a fan of this line of thinking. I think instructors should also
>> have the option of teaching for "expenses only" if the numbers work out in
>> OWASP's favor.
>>
>> There is so much more OWASP could do to expand upon it's training
>> program, but I definitely think this is a step in the right direction.
>>
>>  Dear operations staff: We are not changing policy, we are just having
>> an open discussion. :)
>>
>>  Aloha from Sweden,
>> --
>> Jim Manico
>> @Manicode
>> (808) 652-3805
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>   Hello OWASP Leaders,
>>
>>  I have an idea for training events moving forward.  Currently for
>> training events, OWASP gets a percentage of the training revenue and the
>> instructor gets a percentage of the training revenue.  However, there are
>> many instructors (myself included) who would rather not be compensated for
>> training at OWASP events.
>>
>>  Therefore, I suggest we have an option where the instructor can donate
>> their proceeds to a specific OWASP chapter or project. It would be great if
>> that was advertised as part of the class (i.e. "proceeds for this class
>> will be donated to fund the ZAP project", or "proceeds for this class will
>> go towards GoatDroid", etc... )
>>
>>  The obvious response to this is "well, then just donate the money" -
>> however, I would like to have it all done within OWASP itself, without me
>> having to be involved handling the money at all.
>>
>>  This would allow OWASP instructors and participants to vote with their
>> currency.  Personally, if I was on the fence about a particular project,
>> and found out the instructor was going to donate the proceed to reviving
>> OWASP CAL9000, that would push me towards signing up.
>>
>>  Thoughts?
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>  --
>> Jerry Hoff
>>  @jerryhoff
>> jerry at owasp.org
>>
>>
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