[Owasp-leaders] Training & Donation

Fabio Cerullo fcerullo at owasp.org
Mon Feb 3 09:45:26 UTC 2014


Guys,

I think this is definitely a topic that would be interesting to hear the
OWASP community voice.

Simon, could you please help me out setting up a poll here:
https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Polls

Thanks
Fabio


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:

> You are missing the third and most important model, especially since we
> are a charitable non-profit organization:
>
> 3) Free training for anyone
>
> It's this model, to my utter amazement, has been blocked a few times at
> large OWASP conferences.
>
> There is also option four:
>
> 4) Increase the cost of admission, expand the training program, and offer
> it to everyone as part of a new kind of "education" conference.
>
> Aloha,
>
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
>
> On Feb 2, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>  I think technically that should not be a problem.
> (e.g. our team could prepare a second type agreement text for the trainer
> that does not contain a trainer fee, or sets the trainer fee to zero.)
>
> Btw. I note that there seem to be two models:
> 1. all proceeds go to OWASP
> 2. trainer receives maximum "expenses only" and the remaining proceeds go
> to OWASP if that turns out in OWASP favor over the current split. (this
> second one is a bit ambiguous and I guess we should define what that means
> before we use that in class advertising)
>
> All the best, Tobias
>
>
>
>
> On 02/02/14 16:13, Eoin Keary wrote:
>
> I think the option should be there. Is there anything prevention this
> currently?
>
> Eoin Keary
> Owasp Global Board
> +353 87 977 2988
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2014, at 14:34, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>   I'm a fan of this line of thinking. I think instructors should also
> have the option of teaching for "expenses only" if the numbers work out in
> OWASP's favor.
>
> There is so much more OWASP could do to expand upon it's training program,
> but I definitely think this is a step in the right direction.
>
>  Dear operations staff: We are not changing policy, we are just having an
> open discussion. :)
>
>  Aloha from Sweden,
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
>
> On Feb 2, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>   Hello OWASP Leaders,
>
>  I have an idea for training events moving forward.  Currently for
> training events, OWASP gets a percentage of the training revenue and the
> instructor gets a percentage of the training revenue.  However, there are
> many instructors (myself included) who would rather not be compensated for
> training at OWASP events.
>
>  Therefore, I suggest we have an option where the instructor can donate
> their proceeds to a specific OWASP chapter or project. It would be great if
> that was advertised as part of the class (i.e. "proceeds for this class
> will be donated to fund the ZAP project", or "proceeds for this class will
> go towards GoatDroid", etc... )
>
>  The obvious response to this is "well, then just donate the money" -
> however, I would like to have it all done within OWASP itself, without me
> having to be involved handling the money at all.
>
>  This would allow OWASP instructors and participants to vote with their
> currency.  Personally, if I was on the fence about a particular project,
> and found out the instructor was going to donate the proceed to reviving
> OWASP CAL9000, that would push me towards signing up.
>
>  Thoughts?
> Jerry
>
>
>  --
> Jerry Hoff
>  @jerryhoff
> jerry at owasp.org
>
>
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