[Owasp-leaders] [Owasp-topten] OWASP Top 10 Methodology

Ryan Barnett ryan.barnett at owasp.org
Thu Mar 14 20:16:09 UTC 2013

Another consideration - Dave brought up the fact of infrastructure vs app attacks. In this case, many DDoS are aimed at the web server platform in use. Is this considered infrastructure or application?  I don't think it is strictly either but I do lean towards app more than infrastructure. 

Ryan Barnett

On Mar 14, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Ryan Barnett <ryan.barnett at owasp.org> wrote:

> Many of the DDoS tools include app layer attack options with:
> 1) GET/POST flooding
> 2) Slow Requests
> 3) Web Server platform vuln (like the Apache Range header vuln)
> These are applicable to a large number of sites. 
> --
> Ryan Barnett
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:56 PM, "Dennis Groves" <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>> On 14 Mar 2013, at 19:04, Ryan Barnett wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>> I agree with all of your points.  Determining the estimated Risk level for
>>> DDoS is challenging, especially when you consider the org's vertical market.
>>> As you referenced in your BankInfoSecurity story, Finance verticals are
>>> being targeted as part of a multi-pronged attack where DDoS are used as a
>>> smoke-screen for AHC transfers.  The attacker us a combination of Banking
>>> Trojans client-side with C&C to IRC botnets which can launch DDoS floods.
>>> So the impact of the website downtime will be removed once the attack stops,
>>> however the end results is that funds were also stolen.
>>> I will get with Pawel and see if we can put together a Risk rating
>>> estimation for consideration.
>> Realistically speaking risk of a bot-net DDoS from anybody with $500 to put behind their revenge for a bank stealing their house and then getting a government bailout for the same; vs. an attacker finding an application level DOS via a non terminating regex or account lockout for to many wrong passwords is night and day.
>> I don't see how Application DOS could possibly be in the Top 10.
>> Dennis
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