[Owasp-leaders] "Is it me or has the OWASP website just fallen into disarray?"

Dinis Cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Mon Mar 11 04:51:03 UTC 2013

I think the owasp website and wiki is a good reflection of OWASP today

It is really hard to change the wiki and its homepage without changing/improving how OWASP content is created, edited and maintained.

If you want to help fixing the home page, start by helping with the OWASP projects pages :)

The prob is not technological (as in a better CMS) , the prob is cultural+effort (as in more contributions, edits and ownership)

Btw, this 'change home page' is a recurring theme (every six months there is a burst of activity). Take a look at the OWASP website project for the history.

Dinis Cruz

On 10 Mar 2013, at 20:10, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:

> I feel the wiki is critical for collaboration.
> But a disorganized wiki is poor for information dissemination (which
> is the core of our mission : awareness).
> I think we will always need a wiki.
> But a "static" set of organized pages that links into the wiki will
> make it dramatically easier to absorb our
> content.
> This dual-approach should address all of your concerns, Dennis.
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> On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>> On 10 Mar 2013, at 19:09, Jim Manico wrote:
>>> Simon,
>>> I think this is a very fair comment from the community.
>> It depends Jim. Clearly wiki is the lowest barrier of entry to
>> contribution, and is the leading tool for knowledge management. However,
>> as you are well aware - the OWASP community is not just the contributors
>> it is also the consumers. And the consumers want a CMS; because that is
>> a better tool for consumption.
>> So we actually have a dilemma, based on the perspective of the different
>> needs and requirements of two different communities; one of the consumer
>> and the other of the content creators.
>> Now the other dilemma is that of the 1-9-90 rule of social media; and
>> OWASP is deeply effected by it. Which is to say:
>> 1% Leaders & Visionaries
>> 9% Creators & Contributors
>> 90% Consumers
>> We have estimated around 32k? people in the community at large; and yet
>> we have only 200 (set 320) active visionaries; and I would also guess
>> that we have nothing close to 3200 contributors. Which is to say that we
>> have very real problems with barriers to participation; because even the
>> math says that we should be doing better on average.
>>> I feel we need (this is just my opinion as a volunteer) two major
>>> initiatives:
>>> 1) A new homepage
>> I don't disagree with those goals, but see my comments above - I imagine
>> this stuff solves itself in short order if we can solve the root issues
>> that prevent people from just doing what they obviously want to do so
>> much that they complain about not being able to do it. ;-)
>>> 2) A major cleanup of the wiki; primarily deprecating old content,
>>> secondary a little reorganization.
>> A great example supporting my beliefs is the major clean up of the
>> projects area of the wiki. This was done by a single person; who had
>> *zero* experience with wiki technology before they started reorganising
>> the OWASP projects page.
>> What are your thoughts?
>> Dennis
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