[Owasp-leaders] "Is it me or has the OWASP website just fallen into disarray?"

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Sun Mar 10 20:10:38 UTC 2013

I feel the wiki is critical for collaboration.

But a disorganized wiki is poor for information dissemination (which
is the core of our mission : awareness).

I think we will always need a wiki.

But a "static" set of organized pages that links into the wiki will
make it dramatically easier to absorb our

This dual-approach should address all of your concerns, Dennis.

Jim Manico
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On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

> On 10 Mar 2013, at 19:09, Jim Manico wrote:
>> Simon,
>> I think this is a very fair comment from the community.
> It depends Jim. Clearly wiki is the lowest barrier of entry to
> contribution, and is the leading tool for knowledge management. However,
> as you are well aware - the OWASP community is not just the contributors
> it is also the consumers. And the consumers want a CMS; because that is
> a better tool for consumption.
> So we actually have a dilemma, based on the perspective of the different
> needs and requirements of two different communities; one of the consumer
> and the other of the content creators.
> Now the other dilemma is that of the 1-9-90 rule of social media; and
> OWASP is deeply effected by it. Which is to say:
> 1% Leaders & Visionaries
> 9% Creators & Contributors
> 90% Consumers
> We have estimated around 32k? people in the community at large; and yet
> we have only 200 (set 320) active visionaries; and I would also guess
> that we have nothing close to 3200 contributors. Which is to say that we
> have very real problems with barriers to participation; because even the
> math says that we should be doing better on average.
>> I feel we need (this is just my opinion as a volunteer) two major
>> initiatives:
>> 1) A new homepage
> I don't disagree with those goals, but see my comments above - I imagine
> this stuff solves itself in short order if we can solve the root issues
> that prevent people from just doing what they obviously want to do so
> much that they complain about not being able to do it. ;-)
>> 2) A major cleanup of the wiki; primarily deprecating old content,
>> secondary a little reorganization.
> A great example supporting my beliefs is the major clean up of the
> projects area of the wiki. This was done by a single person; who had
> *zero* experience with wiki technology before they started reorganising
> the OWASP projects page.
> What are your thoughts?
> Dennis
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