[Owasp-leaders] Developers vs. Security Pros

Jerry Hoff jerry at owasp.org
Sat Jun 22 19:38:03 UTC 2013


This is fantastic - I am excited.  We've needed for years a "developer version" of the top 10, complete with remediation code snippets.

I would love to help with the translation - great work Torsten.

Jerry

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On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Torsten Gigler <torsten.gigler at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> 
> we started an OWASP Project especially for developers in March 2013:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Top_10_fuer_Entwickler (Top 10 Developer Edition in German). Which creates a special wiki edition of the Top 10 for developers in German. We run for 'Security Pros' supporting 'Developers'. 
> 
> We look for code Code Snippets related to the Top 10. This is not as easy than thought when we started with Injection as a reference. Nevertheless, besides the new 2013_A9 all Issues are in process for JAVA, some also for PHP. We were very happy, if you send us some code snippets, that we could add as examples ;-)
> 
> When we will have moved further we plan to contribute our results to an English version, too. (Then, we do hope to find some native English speakers that will help us ;-) ).
> 
> Kind regards
> Torsten
> 
> 
> 2013/6/18 Patrick Laverty <patrick.laverty at owasp.org>
> I was at a local OWASP chapter meeting recently and one of the first questions she asked by the presenter was:
> 
> "How many people here are the one who pesters developers when there's a security issue?" 
> 
> Every hand in the room went up. Then she asked:
> 
> "How many of you are the developer who gets pestered by the security team when there's a security issue?" 
> 
> There were about 40 people in the room and I was literally the only one who raised my hand. 
> 
> I'm not naming the chapter I attended, because this isn't specific to that chapter. I'm seeing the exact same things with my own chapter. And I've spoken with others who also see similar things.
> 
> I just checked the OWASP Core Purpose and it doesn't say anything specific about who OWASP's intended audience is.  However, I've long thought that OWASP is at least, if not primarily for developers to learn secure coding. From my observations it seems that the target of meetings has become security professionals. I'm not sure if this is because of the choice of meeting topics or just that developers aren't engaged or don't care. I understand getting them engaged is a goal of the organization, but have we as leaders decided that it's easier to attract security pros by having talks about the latest l33t h4x0rs instead of finding new and interesting ways to spread the word of secure coding? I think part of the problem with the latter is sometimes, the devs see it as code specific. If a presentation uses PHP as the demo language and they're a Java developer, they might see it as not relevant and not attend. 
> 
> So my questions are these. Who is our intended audience? Is that ok that meetings tend to attract more of the security pros than developers? Is what I'm describing an "around me" problem or do you see that in your local meetings as well? If you do a good job consistently attracting developers, what are your meeting topics that do that? If we are mostly attracting security pros, do we want to change that and if we do, how? Is anyone else seeing things similarly?
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Patrick Laverty
> OWASP Rhode Island (USA)
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