[Owasp-leaders] Developers vs. Security Pros

Edgar Salazar edgar.salazar at owasp.org
Tue Jun 18 20:43:30 UTC 2013

Patrick, great your comments.

The same has happened in my country, but we have realized that the public
we want in our chapter and our conference have to coexist both software
developers and security professionals.

OWASP is apparently more popular, web app penetration test subjects, which
secure development issues.

To finish with this:

1) At the conference, we have the same number of papers on security testing
and secure software development.
2) We have related to the software development community in universities.
3) We are constantly making the invitation to developers to participate in
our chapter.


The number of active developers in the community has grown, while not
exceeding the number of people who are dedicated to safety testing but we
have seen how the developers have shown much interest when exposed to open
space on secure development.

Sorry for my English, it's bad.


2013/6/18 Patrick Laverty <patrick.laverty at owasp.org>

> I was at a local OWASP chapter meeting recently and one of the first
> questions she asked by the presenter was:
> "How many people here are the one who pesters developers when there's a
> security issue?"
> Every hand in the room went up. Then she asked:
> "How many of you are the developer who gets pestered by the security team
> when there's a security issue?"
> There were about 40 people in the room and I was literally the only one
> who raised my hand.
> I'm not naming the chapter I attended, because this isn't specific to that
> chapter. I'm seeing the exact same things with my own chapter. And I've
> spoken with others who also see similar things.
> I just checked the OWASP Core Purpose and it doesn't say anything specific
> about who OWASP's intended audience is.  However, I've long thought that
> OWASP is at least, if not primarily for developers to learn secure coding.
> From my observations it seems that the target of meetings has become
> security professionals. I'm not sure if this is because of the choice of
> meeting topics or just that developers aren't engaged or don't care. I
> understand getting them engaged is a goal of the organization, but have we
> as leaders decided that it's easier to attract security pros by having
> talks about the latest l33t h4x0rs instead of finding new and interesting
> ways to spread the word of secure coding? I think part of the problem with
> the latter is sometimes, the devs see it as code specific. If a
> presentation uses PHP as the demo language and they're a Java developer,
> they might see it as not relevant and not attend.
> So my questions are these. Who is our intended audience? Is that ok that
> meetings tend to attract more of the security pros than developers? Is what
> I'm describing an "around me" problem or do you see that in your local
> meetings as well? If you do a good job consistently attracting developers,
> what are your meeting topics that do that? If we are mostly attracting
> security pros, do we want to change that and if we do, how? Is anyone else
> seeing things similarly?
> Thoughts?
> Thank you!
> Patrick Laverty
> OWASP Rhode Island (USA)
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