[Owasp-leaders] Vendor Neutrality
john.wilander at owasp.org
Fri Feb 15 19:41:04 UTC 2013
Let me explain why we moderate our chapter mailing list.
We have over 900 members on our joint mailing list (Stockholm + Gothenburg chapters). The list had to stay virtually silent to keep all those people on the list for meeting announcements. Therefore it's moderated. We have a separate discussion list which is unmoderated.
Moderation helps us keep emails relevant and non-commercial. We for instance allow Swedish universities to announce open PhD positions in application security. The last such email had accidentally bundled several non-appsec PhD positions. Moderators caught it and kindly asked the sender to only include the relevant information. He happily did in a new, accepted email.
On another occasion a "security pub" was announced. We allow cross-posting from other non-profits in security. However, there was going to be demos at the meetup and one of them was announced as more or less bashing Microsoft products. Moderators asked the sender to remove bad mouthing of the company since that's not in the spirit of OWASP. They did and the email was accepted.
That's how we work.
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15 feb 2013 kl. 19:49 skrev Konstantinos Papapanagiotou <konstantinos at owasp.org>:
> Remember, OWASP is open, which should mean no moderation on lists. Moderating and censoring people (and especially global board members) is out of question, at least in my way of thinking.
> On 15 Φεβ 2013, at 18:13, John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Tom's email in its form below would have been rejected by the moderators of the OWASP Sweden mailing list. We would have suggested a rephrasing to make it more about OWASP and the class, and less about SpiderLabs and Trustwave.
>> I suggest OWASP leaders refrain from emailing about our own businesses or employers to lists that we moderate ourselves. Instead we should ask a co-moderator to review the text and send it. Simple.
>> Regards, John
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>> 14 feb 2013 kl. 02:37 skrev Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>:
>>> Hey folks,
>>> Please see the email at the bottom of this message.
>>> This email hit the NYC chapter list today and we discussed it through the board list earlier. I feel this is an abuse of the OWASP brand and vendor neutrality rules to some degree, but other board members politely disagreed with me. That's fair.
>>> Can you please chime in here? Am I off-base or do you feel this is OWASP brand or vendor neutrality abuse?
>>> I know this is a specific example, but I think it's very important to the organization. So far, I feel like I stand alone when complaining about these situations and I'd appreciate your feedback. If you have the time, please click deeper into the email below and investigate a bit.
>>> I am happy to back away from the issue of vendor neutrality if you think I am off base.
>>> Thanks all,
>>> Jim Manico
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>>> From: Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:56 PM
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