[Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template - propose to change/revise

Yvan Boily yvanboily at gmail.com
Mon Aug 19 23:04:38 UTC 2013


Prezi is cool, but it is not HTML5, and requires flash.  Also, iirc, when I
used Prezi there were some limitations unless you pay for it.

I am not opposed to commercial tools, but free means anyone can participate
;)



On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM, <jason.johnson at p7n.net> wrote:

>
> http://prezi.com/_oug648-i4yr/**?utm_campaign=share&utm_**medium=copy<http://prezi.com/_oug648-i4yr/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy>
>
> What about something like this?
>
>
>
>
> On 2013-08-16 13:29, Yvan Boily wrote:
>
>> I will not participate in the design requirements/branding/etc
>> discussion, but I am very partial to HTML5 slides and presentations,
>> and so when this work has reached release state, I will happily port
>> the work to an HTML5 slide template that supports remote presenter
>> view (most of my presos for the last year have used
>> http://paulrouget.com/**dzslides/ <http://paulrouget.com/dzslides/> [7] )
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Yvan
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Tobias,
>>> answers inline.
>>> All the best, Tobias (from HK/London)
>>>
>>> On 16/08/13 08:26, Tobias Glemser wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tobias,
>>>>
>>>> good point. There are other templates. On the same page like you
>>>>
>>> where I
>>>
>>>> guess:
>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.**php/Category:OWASP_**Presentations<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Presentations>[1]
>>>> Linked are:
>>>>
>>>>  https://www.owasp.org/index.**php/File:Presentation_**
>>> Template_v2011.zip<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Presentation_Template_v2011.zip>
>>> [2] (I like
>>>
>>>  this one, we use it in Germany with additional chapter related
>>>>
>>> graphics)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.owasp.org/index.**php/File:OWASP_Presentation_**
>>> Template.pptx<http://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:OWASP_Presentation_Template.pptx>
>>> [3]
>>>
>>> Yeah, I've been using this template until begin of 2013. (and I
>>> liked it...)
>>> We ask people on our AppSecEU web page
>>> (https://appsec.eu/**submissions/call-for-**presentations/<https://appsec.eu/submissions/call-for-presentations/>[4]) to use
>>>
>>> the new
>>> template, so I tried it with the problems as described.
>>>
>>>  And the one you references of course.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we can get a feeling which direction feels right at the
>>>>
>>> Chapter
>>>
>>>> Workshop next week in Hamburg?
>>>>
>>> Absolutely. Let's talk about this at the workshop next week.
>>> Small problem for me: I will be giving the CISO training that day
>>> and
>>> only arrive later to the chapter workshop. Bad luck for me. :-(
>>>
>>>  Best Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tobias (the other one :) )
>>>>
>>>>  -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.**owasp.org<owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:owasp-leaders-
>>>
>>>> bounces at lists.owasp.org] Im Auftrag von Tobias
>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. August 2013 18:38
>>>>> An: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>>>>> Betreff: [Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template -
>>>>>
>>>> propose to
>>>
>>>> change/revise [ Z1 UNGESICHERT ]
>>>>> Wichtigkeit: Niedrig
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> not sure whether others out there share the same feeling, but I
>>>>>
>>>> would like
>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> propose to revisit and change our latest presentation powerpoint
>>>>>
>>>> template.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The last few weeks I prepared a lot of OWASP presentations and
>>>>>
>>>> took the
>>>
>>>> effort to do everything with our "new" ppt template from last
>>>>>
>>>> year. And I
>>>
>>>> feel there are a number of practical design problems with our
>>>>>
>>>> latest
>>>
>>>> ppt/pptx
>>>>
>>>>> template. So I would like to propose to revise it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in case you are wondering which one I mean, this is it:
>>>>>
>>>>>  https://www.owasp.org/images/**7/76/OWASP_Presentation_**Template.zip<https://www.owasp.org/images/7/76/OWASP_Presentation_Template.zip>
>>> [5]
>>>
>>>  (btw. I noticed, quite a number of people are still using an
>>>>>
>>>> older ppt
>>>
>>>> design
>>>>
>>>>> template...)
>>>>>
>>>>> On first glance, the new design looks cool and modern, but IMHO
>>>>>
>>>> it has a
>>>
>>>> number of practical flaws that make it very hard to work with:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. the title page:
>>>>> the page has a dark blue background with a white image in the
>>>>>
>>>> centre. So,
>>>
>>>> if
>>>>
>>>>> you write a title over several lines with white characters (as
>>>>>
>>>> you are
>>>
>>>> supposed by the template) on that, it becomes partially very
>>>>>
>>>> hard to read
>>>
>>>> (i.e. read white char on white background... ) - note: I
>>>>>
>>>> experimented with
>>>
>>>> various font colours, and none really works. Although red would
>>>>>
>>>> work, but
>>>
>>>> that is not a good font colour for a title page, either. So the
>>>>>
>>>> key is to
>>>
>>>> change
>>>>
>>>>> the background image to something more homogeneous.
>>>>> - the subtitle section is a problem, too. The grey font is
>>>>>
>>>> equally not
>>>
>>>> very good
>>>>
>>>>> to read - though I totally get it why the designer chose grey -
>>>>>
>>>> because
>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> can't use white as half the background is white and you can't
>>>>>
>>>> use black or
>>>
>>>> dark font colour as half the background for the subtitle is dark
>>>>>
>>>> blue) -
>>>
>>>> so grey
>>>>
>>>>> is a compromise, but hard to read on both. Again best would be
>>>>>
>>>> to change
>>>
>>>> the background image or shape.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. normal pages:
>>>>> the wave like design of the title bar looks cool, but:
>>>>> - it takes a lot of space of the slide (much more than many
>>>>>
>>>> other
>>>
>>>> templates)
>>>>
>>>>> - due to the fact that it is mixed light/dark design, you can
>>>>>
>>>> use for the
>>>
>>>> slide
>>>>
>>>>> title only the upper right corner, or you run in the same
>>>>>
>>>> problem as with
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> title slide (light char on light background is impossible to
>>>>>
>>>> read). So the
>>>
>>>> space is
>>>>
>>>>> very limited and you have to do multi-line titles which takes
>>>>>
>>>> too much
>>>
>>>> space
>>>>
>>>>> from the slide.
>>>>> The large curvy title bar on the normal slides also does not go
>>>>>
>>>> so well
>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>> graphics (which then cut or overlay the design).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestions are:
>>>>> Make a design revamp. Either with small changes or complete
>>>>>
>>>> revamp.
>>>
>>>> 1. reduce or change the white "lock" image on the title slide 2.
>>>>>
>>>> don't
>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>> large areas of mixed light and dark background if you have any
>>>>>
>>>> text in
>>>
>>>> front of
>>>>
>>>>> it 2.1. make the title slide with less contrast (either all
>>>>>
>>>> light colour
>>>
>>>> so you can
>>>>
>>>>> use dark fonts or all dark background and light fonts) 2.2.
>>>>>
>>>> important:
>>>
>>>> remove
>>>>
>>>>> or reduce the wave curvy like design border on the title and all
>>>>>
>>>> slides or
>>>
>>>> make
>>>>
>>>>> it much much smaller, e.g. instead of several cm difference,
>>>>>
>>>> only maximum
>>>
>>>> 1cm.
>>>>> 2.3. change the logo on the normal slides to no longer include
>>>>>
>>>> the OWASP
>>>
>>>> text, this can save a lot of space we can use for title space of
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> normal
>>>>
>>>>> slides. IMHO: we don't need the text "OWASP The Open Web
>>>>>
>>>> Application
>>>
>>>> Security Project" on every single slide we have. The normal
>>>>>
>>>> OWASP logo is
>>>
>>>> enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't get me wrong: I can see that the design looks cool and
>>>>>
>>>> fresh, but
>>>
>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>> a presenters perspective it feels very unpractical to me. And
>>>>>
>>>> IMHO design
>>>
>>>> needs to support function - not hinder it. Maybe we can keep a
>>>>>
>>>> cool fresh
>>>
>>>> design but still improve functionality with some moderate design
>>>>>
>>>> changes.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> After AppSecEU, there might be a good opportunity to look at the
>>>>>
>>>> design
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> make some practical adjustments or changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 5cents,
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best, Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] https://www.owasp.org/index.**php/Category:OWASP_**Presentations<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Presentations>
>> [2] https://www.owasp.org/index.**php/File:Presentation_**
>> Template_v2011.zip<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Presentation_Template_v2011.zip>
>> [3] http://www.owasp.org/index.**php/File:OWASP_Presentation_**
>> Template.pptx<http://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:OWASP_Presentation_Template.pptx>
>> [4] https://appsec.eu/submissions/**call-for-presentations/<https://appsec.eu/submissions/call-for-presentations/>
>> [5] https://www.owasp.org/images/**7/76/OWASP_Presentation_**Template.zip<https://www.owasp.org/images/7/76/OWASP_Presentation_Template.zip>
>> [6] https://lists.owasp.org/**mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders<https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders>
>> [7] http://paulrouget.com/**dzslides/ <http://paulrouget.com/dzslides/>
>>
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