[Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template - propose to change/revise

Colin Watson colin.watson at owasp.org
Sun Aug 18 12:52:30 UTC 2013


Tobias

Great thanks. I added a couple more items to my list.

Colin

On 16 August 2013 18:42, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:
> Colin,
>
> thanks for the feedback.
>
> Following your suggestion, I started a page for collecting the design
> suggestions for the presentation template:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Presentation_Template_2013_revision_Design_Criteria
> (and added your points already)
>
> All the best, Tobias
>
>
>
>
> On 16/08/13 09:11, Colin Watson wrote:
>> Tobias
>>
>> Well said.
>>
>> Would it be worth documenting "requirements" in one place on the wiki
>> for new/future templates?  I think there was some comment when this
>> one appeared, but can't find the correspondence. New ones should have
>> some sort of review before adoption.
>>
>> Other "Top 15" comments:
>>
>> - Needs licence info on (every?) page
>> - Needs copyright statement on title page
>> - Needs space for author names, event name, date and location (like an
>> older template had, but now gone)
>> - Needs page numbers
>> - Must not encourage corporate logo addition
>> - Background "violet" on home page does not go all the way up to the
>> swish - if kept, needs fixing
>> - Not enough space for titles on normal pages (Allow for long and
>> wrapping titles)
>> - Normal pages must have a white background - not shaded at all
>> - Default font sizes are scarily large, and should be smaller
>> - No background images behind body text (there are none on this, but
>> there were in a previous incarnation)
>> - Consider small OWASP logo and abbreviated name in footer only of normal pages
>> - Dislike "lock" images - very clichéd
>> - Ensure all designs are copyright OWASP, and we have the ability to
>> re-use/distribute etc at no cost
>> - Obtain licensing details for any stock images included, and keep
>> them for the record
>> - Set default document properties
>>
>> Apart from that it's fine!
>>
>> It would also be interesting to test a new template, how easy it is to
>> import an existing well-used deck, and also check that a typical
>> presentation "works" in the new template.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>>
>> On 15 August 2013 17:38, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> not sure whether others out there share the same feeling, but I would like
>>> to propose to revisit and change our latest presentation powerpoint
>>> template.
>>>
>>> The last few weeks I prepared a lot of OWASP presentations and took the
>>> effort to do everything with our "new" ppt template from last year. And I
>>> feel there are a number of practical design problems with our latest
>>> ppt/pptx template. So I would like to propose to revise it.
>>>
>>> Just in case you are wondering which one I mean, this is it:
>>> https://www.owasp.org/images/7/76/OWASP_Presentation_Template.zip
>>> (btw. I noticed, quite a number of people are still using an older ppt
>>> design template...)
>>>
>>> On first glance, the new design looks cool and modern, but IMHO it has a
>>> number of practical flaws that make it very hard to work with:
>>>
>>> 1. the title page:
>>> the page has a dark blue background with a white image in the centre. So, if
>>> you write a title over several lines with white characters (as you are
>>> supposed by the template) on that, it becomes partially very hard to read
>>> (i.e. read white char on white background... ) - note: I experimented with
>>> various font colours, and none really works. Although red would work, but
>>> that is not a good font colour for a title page, either. So the key is to
>>> change the background image to something more homogeneous.
>>> - the subtitle section is a problem, too. The grey font is equally not very
>>> good to read - though I totally get it why the designer chose grey - because
>>> you can't use white as half the background is white and you can't use black
>>> or dark font colour as half the background for the subtitle is dark blue) -
>>> so grey is a compromise, but hard to read on both. Again best would be to
>>> change the background image or shape.
>>>
>>> 2. normal pages:
>>> the wave like design of the title bar looks cool, but:
>>> - it takes a lot of space of the slide (much more than many other templates)
>>> - due to the fact that it is mixed light/dark design, you can use for the
>>> slide title only the upper right corner, or you run in the same problem as
>>> with the title slide (light char on light background is impossible to read).
>>> So the space is very limited and you have to do multi-line titles which
>>> takes too much space from the slide.
>>> The large curvy title bar on the normal slides also does not go so well with
>>> graphics (which then cut or overlay the design).
>>>
>>>
>>> My suggestions are:
>>> Make a design revamp. Either with small changes or complete revamp.
>>> 1. reduce or change the white "lock" image on the title slide
>>> 2. don't have large areas of mixed light and dark background if you have any
>>> text in front of it
>>> 2.1. make the title slide with less contrast (either all light colour so you
>>> can use dark fonts or all dark background and light fonts)
>>> 2.2. important: remove or reduce the wave curvy like design border on the
>>> title and all slides or make it much much smaller, e.g. instead of several
>>> cm difference, only maximum 1cm.
>>> 2.3. change the logo on the normal slides to no longer include the OWASP
>>> text, this can save a lot of space we can use for title space of the normal
>>> slides. IMHO: we don't need the text "OWASP The Open Web Application
>>> Security Project" on every single slide we have. The normal OWASP logo is
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong: I can see that the design looks cool and fresh, but from
>>> a presenters perspective it feels very unpractical to me. And IMHO design
>>> needs to support function - not hinder it. Maybe we can keep a cool fresh
>>> design but still improve functionality with some moderate design changes.
>>>
>>> After AppSecEU, there might be a good opportunity to look at the design and
>>> make some practical adjustments or changes.
>>>
>>> Just my 5cents,
>>>
>>> All the best, Tobias
>>>
>>>
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