[Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template - propose to change/revise

Thomas Kastner thomas.kastner at owasp.org
Fri Aug 16 21:02:43 UTC 2013


In addition to the html5 port a libre office/open office presentation
template would also be nice.

My experience with pptx templates showes me, that the free office
solutions can load them, but some minor flaws in the
design/font/color/etc. are always present.

Cheers,
Thomas

On 08/16/2013 07:29 PM, Yvan Boily wrote:
> I will not participate in the design requirements/branding/etc
> discussion, but I am very partial to HTML5 slides and presentations, and
> so when this work has reached release state, I will happily port the
> work to an HTML5 slide template that supports remote presenter view
> (most of my presos for the last year have used
> http://paulrouget.com/dzslides/ )
> 
> Cheers,
> Yvan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
> <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Tobias,
>     answers inline.
>     All the best, Tobias (from HK/London)
> 
> 
>     On 16/08/13 08:26, Tobias Glemser wrote:
>     > Hi Tobias,
>     >
>     > good point. There are other templates. On the same page like you
>     where I
>     > guess:
>     > https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Presentations
>     > Linked are:
>     >
>     https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Presentation_Template_v2011.zip
>     (I like
>     > this one, we use it in Germany with additional chapter related
>     graphics)
>     > http://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:OWASP_Presentation_Template.pptx
>     Yeah, I've been using this template until begin of 2013. (and I
>     liked it...)
>     We ask people on our AppSecEU web page
>     (https://appsec.eu/submissions/call-for-presentations/) to use the new
>     template, so I tried it with the problems as described.
> 
>     > And the one you references of course.
>     >
>     > Maybe we can get a feeling which direction feels right at the Chapter
>     > Workshop next week in Hamburg?
>     Absolutely. Let's talk about this at the workshop next week.
>     Small problem for me: I will be giving the CISO training that day and
>     only arrive later to the chapter workshop. Bad luck for me. :-(
> 
> 
>     > Best Regards
>     >
>     > Tobias (the other one :) )
>     >
>     >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>     >> Von: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     [mailto:owasp-leaders- <mailto:owasp-leaders->
>     >> bounces at lists.owasp.org <mailto:bounces at lists.owasp.org>] Im
>     Auftrag von Tobias
>     >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. August 2013 18:38
>     >> An: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>
>     >> Betreff: [Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template -
>     propose to
>     >> change/revise [ Z1 UNGESICHERT ]
>     >> Wichtigkeit: Niedrig
>     >>
>     >> Hello all,
>     >>
>     >> not sure whether others out there share the same feeling, but I
>     would like
>     > to
>     >> propose to revisit and change our latest presentation powerpoint
>     template.
>     >>
>     >> The last few weeks I prepared a lot of OWASP presentations and
>     took the
>     >> effort to do everything with our "new" ppt template from last
>     year. And I
>     >> feel there are a number of practical design problems with our latest
>     > ppt/pptx
>     >> template. So I would like to propose to revise it.
>     >>
>     >> Just in case you are wondering which one I mean, this is it:
>     >> https://www.owasp.org/images/7/76/OWASP_Presentation_Template.zip
>     >> (btw. I noticed, quite a number of people are still using an
>     older ppt
>     > design
>     >> template...)
>     >>
>     >> On first glance, the new design looks cool and modern, but IMHO
>     it has a
>     >> number of practical flaws that make it very hard to work with:
>     >>
>     >> 1. the title page:
>     >> the page has a dark blue background with a white image in the
>     centre. So,
>     > if
>     >> you write a title over several lines with white characters (as
>     you are
>     >> supposed by the template) on that, it becomes partially very hard
>     to read
>     >> (i.e. read white char on white background... ) - note: I
>     experimented with
>     >> various font colours, and none really works. Although red would
>     work, but
>     >> that is not a good font colour for a title page, either. So the
>     key is to
>     > change
>     >> the background image to something more homogeneous.
>     >> - the subtitle section is a problem, too. The grey font is
>     equally not
>     > very good
>     >> to read - though I totally get it why the designer chose grey -
>     because
>     > you
>     >> can't use white as half the background is white and you can't use
>     black or
>     >> dark font colour as half the background for the subtitle is dark
>     blue) -
>     > so grey
>     >> is a compromise, but hard to read on both. Again best would be to
>     change
>     >> the background image or shape.
>     >>
>     >> 2. normal pages:
>     >> the wave like design of the title bar looks cool, but:
>     >> - it takes a lot of space of the slide (much more than many other
>     > templates)
>     >> - due to the fact that it is mixed light/dark design, you can use
>     for the
>     > slide
>     >> title only the upper right corner, or you run in the same problem
>     as with
>     > the
>     >> title slide (light char on light background is impossible to
>     read). So the
>     > space is
>     >> very limited and you have to do multi-line titles which takes too
>     much
>     > space
>     >> from the slide.
>     >> The large curvy title bar on the normal slides also does not go
>     so well
>     > with
>     >> graphics (which then cut or overlay the design).
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> My suggestions are:
>     >> Make a design revamp. Either with small changes or complete revamp.
>     >> 1. reduce or change the white "lock" image on the title slide 2.
>     don't
>     > have
>     >> large areas of mixed light and dark background if you have any
>     text in
>     > front of
>     >> it 2.1. make the title slide with less contrast (either all light
>     colour
>     > so you can
>     >> use dark fonts or all dark background and light fonts) 2.2.
>     important:
>     > remove
>     >> or reduce the wave curvy like design border on the title and all
>     slides or
>     > make
>     >> it much much smaller, e.g. instead of several cm difference, only
>     maximum
>     >> 1cm.
>     >> 2.3. change the logo on the normal slides to no longer include
>     the OWASP
>     >> text, this can save a lot of space we can use for title space of the
>     > normal
>     >> slides. IMHO: we don't need the text "OWASP The Open Web Application
>     >> Security Project" on every single slide we have. The normal OWASP
>     logo is
>     >> enough.
>     >>
>     >> Don't get me wrong: I can see that the design looks cool and
>     fresh, but
>     > from
>     >> a presenters perspective it feels very unpractical to me. And
>     IMHO design
>     >> needs to support function - not hinder it. Maybe we can keep a
>     cool fresh
>     >> design but still improve functionality with some moderate design
>     changes.
>     >>
>     >> After AppSecEU, there might be a good opportunity to look at the
>     design
>     > and
>     >> make some practical adjustments or changes.
>     >>
>     >> Just my 5cents,
>     >>
>     >> All the best, Tobias
>     >>
>     >
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