[Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template - propose to change/revise

Tobias tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
Fri Aug 16 17:20:42 UTC 2013

Hi Tobias,
answers inline.
All the best, Tobias (from HK/London)

On 16/08/13 08:26, Tobias Glemser wrote:
> Hi Tobias,
> good point. There are other templates. On the same page like you where I
> guess:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Presentations
> Linked are:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Presentation_Template_v2011.zip (I like
> this one, we use it in Germany with additional chapter related graphics)
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:OWASP_Presentation_Template.pptx 
Yeah, I've been using this template until begin of 2013. (and I liked it...)
We ask people on our AppSecEU web page
(https://appsec.eu/submissions/call-for-presentations/) to use the new
template, so I tried it with the problems as described.

> And the one you references of course.
> Maybe we can get a feeling which direction feels right at the Chapter
> Workshop next week in Hamburg?
Absolutely. Let's talk about this at the workshop next week.
Small problem for me: I will be giving the CISO training that day and
only arrive later to the chapter workshop. Bad luck for me. :-(

> Best Regards
> Tobias (the other one :) )
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:owasp-leaders-
>> bounces at lists.owasp.org] Im Auftrag von Tobias
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. August 2013 18:38
>> An: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>> Betreff: [Owasp-leaders] OWASP PPTX presentation template - propose to
>> change/revise [ Z1 UNGESICHERT ]
>> Wichtigkeit: Niedrig
>> Hello all,
>> not sure whether others out there share the same feeling, but I would like
> to
>> propose to revisit and change our latest presentation powerpoint template.
>> The last few weeks I prepared a lot of OWASP presentations and took the
>> effort to do everything with our "new" ppt template from last year. And I
>> feel there are a number of practical design problems with our latest
> ppt/pptx
>> template. So I would like to propose to revise it.
>> Just in case you are wondering which one I mean, this is it:
>> https://www.owasp.org/images/7/76/OWASP_Presentation_Template.zip
>> (btw. I noticed, quite a number of people are still using an older ppt
> design
>> template...)
>> On first glance, the new design looks cool and modern, but IMHO it has a
>> number of practical flaws that make it very hard to work with:
>> 1. the title page:
>> the page has a dark blue background with a white image in the centre. So,
> if
>> you write a title over several lines with white characters (as you are
>> supposed by the template) on that, it becomes partially very hard to read
>> (i.e. read white char on white background... ) - note: I experimented with
>> various font colours, and none really works. Although red would work, but
>> that is not a good font colour for a title page, either. So the key is to
> change
>> the background image to something more homogeneous.
>> - the subtitle section is a problem, too. The grey font is equally not
> very good
>> to read - though I totally get it why the designer chose grey - because
> you
>> can't use white as half the background is white and you can't use black or
>> dark font colour as half the background for the subtitle is dark blue) -
> so grey
>> is a compromise, but hard to read on both. Again best would be to change
>> the background image or shape.
>> 2. normal pages:
>> the wave like design of the title bar looks cool, but:
>> - it takes a lot of space of the slide (much more than many other
> templates)
>> - due to the fact that it is mixed light/dark design, you can use for the
> slide
>> title only the upper right corner, or you run in the same problem as with
> the
>> title slide (light char on light background is impossible to read). So the
> space is
>> very limited and you have to do multi-line titles which takes too much
> space
>> from the slide.
>> The large curvy title bar on the normal slides also does not go so well
> with
>> graphics (which then cut or overlay the design).
>> My suggestions are:
>> Make a design revamp. Either with small changes or complete revamp.
>> 1. reduce or change the white "lock" image on the title slide 2. don't
> have
>> large areas of mixed light and dark background if you have any text in
> front of
>> it 2.1. make the title slide with less contrast (either all light colour
> so you can
>> use dark fonts or all dark background and light fonts) 2.2. important:
> remove
>> or reduce the wave curvy like design border on the title and all slides or
> make
>> it much much smaller, e.g. instead of several cm difference, only maximum
>> 1cm.
>> 2.3. change the logo on the normal slides to no longer include the OWASP
>> text, this can save a lot of space we can use for title space of the
> normal
>> slides. IMHO: we don't need the text "OWASP The Open Web Application
>> Security Project" on every single slide we have. The normal OWASP logo is
>> enough.
>> Don't get me wrong: I can see that the design looks cool and fresh, but
> from
>> a presenters perspective it feels very unpractical to me. And IMHO design
>> needs to support function - not hinder it. Maybe we can keep a cool fresh
>> design but still improve functionality with some moderate design changes.
>> After AppSecEU, there might be a good opportunity to look at the design
> and
>> make some practical adjustments or changes.
>> Just my 5cents,
>> All the best, Tobias
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