[Owasp-leaders] Proposal: Remove all commercial/non-OWASP logos from OWASP.org

Thu Apr 4 13:14:45 UTC 2013

Sorry all, based on the answers received to my previous message, I had
to reformulate my question:

1) Is anyone collecting/processing detailed metrics on corporate logos
displayed in the OWASP portal? (including but not limited to the home
page, local/regional chapter pages and events pages)

By "detailed metrics", I mean:
 - total # of impressions per month, per country, per browser language
 - comparative evolution of the # of impressions, per month, country or
browser language
 - total # of clicks, per month, per country, per browser lang.
 - comparative evolution of the # of clicks, per month, per country, per
browser lang.
 - etc.

2) If answer is "yes" -> then "who?"
   Else -> "How can I get this information?"

kind regards,
antonio

--
OWASP Switzerland, board member
OWASP Geneva, chapter leader
  skype: antonio.fontes

On 4/4/2013 2:29 PM, Antonio Fontes wrote:
> Before giving my opinion on whether or not we should remove corporate
> logos from the website, I would like to get the following data:
> 
> 1) Who is collecting/processing metrics on corporate logos? (number of
> impressions, number of clicks)
>  - on the home page?
>  - on local chapter pages?
>  - on conference pages?
> 2) What are these numbers?
> 
> Knowing these numbers would allow me (and hopefully other leaders) to
> participate in this discussion based on factual data...
> 
> kind regards,
> antonio
> 
> 
> --
> OWASP Switzerland, board member
> OWASP Geneva, chapter leader
>   skype: antonio.fontes
> 
> On 4/4/2013 1:20 PM, Jim Manico wrote:
>> The only other place Apache allows for corporate logos is for conference
>> sponsorships.
>>
>> Example: http://na.apachecon.com/sponsors/
>>
>> I'm not a fan of logos on chapter pages, but my opinion aside, many
>> organizations sponsor a location for chapter meetings as well as food
>> and drink. We need these locations for chapters to thrive.
>>
>> So perhaps logos only go in three locations:
>>
>> 1) Wiki dedicated sponsorship page
>> 2) Chapter wiki pages
>> 3) Conference pages
>>
>> And let those be the only allowed locations.
>>
>> This means that we remove logos from the homepage, project pages and
>> project deliverables. (But we link to the main sponsorship pages from
>> these locations).
>>
>> Fair?
>>
>> --
>> Jim Manico
>> @Manicode
>> (808) 652-3805
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Seba <seba at owasp.org
>> <mailto:seba at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> how about the sponsor logos on the conference / chapter pages?
>>> they represent a significant budget to keep our events afloat
>>>  
>>> regards
>>>  
>>> Seba
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:dinis.cruz at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     /(Resending this email, since for some reason I got a bounce from
>>>     the email I sent to owasp-leaders a couple days ago)./
>>>     /(I also blogged this at
>>>     http://blog.diniscruz.com/2013/04/proposal-remove-all-commercialnon-owasp.html
>>>     , and there are already a couple good comments in there from
>>>     Michael and Mark)/
>>>
>>>     Following the recent threads about the commercialization of OWASP,
>>>     I think the time as come for a simple move, that will be a little
>>>     bit painful, but will clear the water and send a nice big message
>>>     of what OWASP stands for.
>>>
>>>     *Remove all commercial/non-owasp-projects logos from OWASP.org
>>>     <http://OWASP.org>*
>>>
>>>     This move has a log of advantages:
>>>
>>>       * it is generic so it doesn't single out anybody
>>>       * it can be done since there are no 'real' contractual
>>>         obligations for OWASP to put company's XYZ logo on the OWASP site 
>>>           o note that OWASP can change the content of any content
>>>             hosted on owasp.org <http://owasp.org/> , as long as the
>>>             changed content is released in an compatible license :)
>>>           o in fact anybody can start the
>>>             http://owasp-without-logos.org
>>>             <http://owasp-without-logos.org/> site with all content
>>>             from owasp.org <http://owasp.org/>, expect the 3rd party logos
>>>       * it will push the cases where sponsor-logos are expected to
>>>         exist, to be placed in separate/dedicated 3rd party websites
>>>         (like what happens with AppSec conferences)
>>>           o and if there ARE execptions, they should be treated as
>>>             one-of exceptions (and be fully documented)
>>>       * it will stop the current */'F1/NASCAR logo parade'/* that is
>>>         the OWASP main page, and some of its projects
>>>       * it will stop the nasty and non-productive */"hey that
>>>         company shouldn't have their logo in that project"/* threads
>>>       * it will send a strong message that OWASP is about sharing
>>>         information and all information/tools/projects that are
>>>         'donated' to owasp are supposed to be shared in a
>>>         no-strings/logos attached mode
>>>       * it will clarify that *the OWASP logo, name, tools and content
>>>         CAN be used in commercial situations, as long as it is done
>>>         outside of OWASP.org <http://OWASP.org>*
>>>       * it shows a sign of maturity for OWASP, where OWASP doesn't
>>>         need (anymore) to sell a bit of its soul in exchange for good
>>>         content and tools
>>>       * it shows that OWASP's value to the corporate sponsors, is NOT
>>>         a logo on owasp.org <http://owasp.org/>, but the amazing value
>>>         provided by the multiple OWASP activities, events and projects.
>>>       * it shows that OWASP can learn from others, and in this case,
>>>         follow (as Jim recommended) the Apache foundation example
>>>         (see http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html )
>>>
>>>     There are a couple disadvantages:
>>>
>>>       * Some OWASP leaders and supporting companies will be annoyed
>>>         and fell that /'OWASP changed the value-added they would get
>>>         by contributing to OWASP'/
>>>       * Some OWASP corporate sponsors might even be so angry that they
>>>         don't renew their anual membership
>>>       * Some OWASP leaders might be so annoyed that they stop
>>>         contributing at all to OWASP
>>>       * This is one of those issues that has the potential to generate
>>>         a gazilion of emails, with lots of opinions and no decisions
>>>         in the end. Btw, the faster 'a' decision is made the
>>>         better (Yes or No). 
>>>
>>>     I believe that OWASP today (April 2013) is in the perfect
>>>     situation to make this move. There is enough money to sustain any
>>>     financial loss (which I don't think will happen) and the OWASP
>>>     projects are still in a state where a drop of a couple OWASP
>>>     leaders wouldn't have a dramatic effect (which again i don't think
>>>     will happen)
>>>
>>>     So what do you say, fellow OWASP friends, should we make this jump?
>>>
>>>     *My vote is YES, lets get rid of the commercial logos in OWASP and
>>>     start a new generation of OWASP content and tools*
>>>
>>>     Dinis Cruz
>>>
>>>
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