[Owasp-leaders] Proposal: Remove all commercial/non-OWASP logos from OWASP.org
Antonio Fontes
antonio.fontes at owasp.org
Thu Apr 4 12:29:34 UTC 2013
Before giving my opinion on whether or not we should remove corporate
logos from the website, I would like to get the following data:
1) Who is collecting/processing metrics on corporate logos? (number of
impressions, number of clicks)
- on the home page?
- on local chapter pages?
- on conference pages?
2) What are these numbers?
Knowing these numbers would allow me (and hopefully other leaders) to
participate in this discussion based on factual data...
kind regards,
antonio
--
OWASP Switzerland, board member
OWASP Geneva, chapter leader
skype: antonio.fontes
On 4/4/2013 1:20 PM, Jim Manico wrote:
> The only other place Apache allows for corporate logos is for conference
> sponsorships.
>
> Example: http://na.apachecon.com/sponsors/
>
> I'm not a fan of logos on chapter pages, but my opinion aside, many
> organizations sponsor a location for chapter meetings as well as food
> and drink. We need these locations for chapters to thrive.
>
> So perhaps logos only go in three locations:
>
> 1) Wiki dedicated sponsorship page
> 2) Chapter wiki pages
> 3) Conference pages
>
> And let those be the only allowed locations.
>
> This means that we remove logos from the homepage, project pages and
> project deliverables. (But we link to the main sponsorship pages from
> these locations).
>
> Fair?
>
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Seba <seba at owasp.org
> <mailto:seba at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>> how about the sponsor logos on the conference / chapter pages?
>> they represent a significant budget to keep our events afloat
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Seba
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org
>> <mailto:dinis.cruz at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> /(Resending this email, since for some reason I got a bounce from
>> the email I sent to owasp-leaders a couple days ago)./
>> /(I also blogged this at
>> http://blog.diniscruz.com/2013/04/proposal-remove-all-commercialnon-owasp.html
>> , and there are already a couple good comments in there from
>> Michael and Mark)/
>>
>> Following the recent threads about the commercialization of OWASP,
>> I think the time as come for a simple move, that will be a little
>> bit painful, but will clear the water and send a nice big message
>> of what OWASP stands for.
>>
>> *Remove all commercial/non-owasp-projects logos from OWASP.org
>> <http://OWASP.org>*
>>
>> This move has a log of advantages:
>>
>> * it is generic so it doesn't single out anybody
>> * it can be done since there are no 'real' contractual
>> obligations for OWASP to put company's XYZ logo on the OWASP site
>> o note that OWASP can change the content of any content
>> hosted on owasp.org <http://owasp.org/> , as long as the
>> changed content is released in an compatible license :)
>> o in fact anybody can start the
>> http://owasp-without-logos.org
>> <http://owasp-without-logos.org/> site with all content
>> from owasp.org <http://owasp.org/>, expect the 3rd party logos
>> * it will push the cases where sponsor-logos are expected to
>> exist, to be placed in separate/dedicated 3rd party websites
>> (like what happens with AppSec conferences)
>> o and if there ARE execptions, they should be treated as
>> one-of exceptions (and be fully documented)
>> * it will stop the current */'F1/NASCAR logo parade'/* that is
>> the OWASP main page, and some of its projects
>> * it will stop the nasty and non-productive */"hey that
>> company shouldn't have their logo in that project"/* threads
>> * it will send a strong message that OWASP is about sharing
>> information and all information/tools/projects that are
>> 'donated' to owasp are supposed to be shared in a
>> no-strings/logos attached mode
>> * it will clarify that *the OWASP logo, name, tools and content
>> CAN be used in commercial situations, as long as it is done
>> outside of OWASP.org <http://OWASP.org>*
>> * it shows a sign of maturity for OWASP, where OWASP doesn't
>> need (anymore) to sell a bit of its soul in exchange for good
>> content and tools
>> * it shows that OWASP's value to the corporate sponsors, is NOT
>> a logo on owasp.org <http://owasp.org/>, but the amazing value
>> provided by the multiple OWASP activities, events and projects.
>> * it shows that OWASP can learn from others, and in this case,
>> follow (as Jim recommended) the Apache foundation example
>> (see http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html )
>>
>> There are a couple disadvantages:
>>
>> * Some OWASP leaders and supporting companies will be annoyed
>> and fell that /'OWASP changed the value-added they would get
>> by contributing to OWASP'/
>> * Some OWASP corporate sponsors might even be so angry that they
>> don't renew their anual membership
>> * Some OWASP leaders might be so annoyed that they stop
>> contributing at all to OWASP
>> * This is one of those issues that has the potential to generate
>> a gazilion of emails, with lots of opinions and no decisions
>> in the end. Btw, the faster 'a' decision is made the
>> better (Yes or No).
>>
>> I believe that OWASP today (April 2013) is in the perfect
>> situation to make this move. There is enough money to sustain any
>> financial loss (which I don't think will happen) and the OWASP
>> projects are still in a state where a drop of a couple OWASP
>> leaders wouldn't have a dramatic effect (which again i don't think
>> will happen)
>>
>> So what do you say, fellow OWASP friends, should we make this jump?
>>
>> *My vote is YES, lets get rid of the commercial logos in OWASP and
>> start a new generation of OWASP content and tools*
>>
>> Dinis Cruz
>>
>>
>>
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