[Owasp-leaders] Use of proprietary software was SVG/AI/EPS

Gregory Disney-Leugers gregory.disney at owasp.org
Sat Nov 10 19:33:38 UTC 2012

This is a silly fight, A. Open-source is great, but forcing everyone to
use it is unethical (freedom of choice). Also it seems very Stallmanist,
to make a broad decision for everyone to use Open-Source.
Second Safari derives from a open-source project (like majority of apple
os-x software) called webkit http://www.webkit.org/,
Lastly why does it matter? we all do what we want, how we want. It seems
like a natural deduction everyone is utilitarian with the tools at hand,

On 11/10/2012 01:37 PM, D H wrote:
> Dennis Groves wrote:
>> No, its utilitarian ethics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism>.
> Apart from this being the wrong list for this conversation the merit of
> the many different forms of utilitarian ethics is something that has yet
> to be decided. Not to mention that you only encourage people like me to
> pull out Kant's deontological ethics.
> Personally I find your statement quite offensive. I subscribe fully to
> the core ethics of OWASP and yet I do not quite see what that has to do
> with me using Safari.
> Not to mention that there are hundreds of tools out there which will
> happily convert from most proprietary formats to an open one. Unless of
> course that is technically impossible.
> What this
> * Treat everyone with respect and dignity
> has to do with proprietary formats is beyond my comprehension.
>> And what I am saying is that if subscribe to OWASP's
>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_OWASP#Core_Values>Core Values
>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_OWASP>, Core Purposeand Code of
>> Ethics <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_OWASP> that individual
>> members shouldn't deprive the community at large of exercising the
>> licenses OWASP and its community have agreed to abide by.
>> If you want to use proprietary software and formats that is your right.
>> But it is a half measure, claiming to subscribe to OWASP's values and
>> use a free culture license, but keep the work in a proprietary format.
>> That is actually hostility, not a free culture license.
>> <http://freedomdefined.org/Permissible_restrictions> And it certainly
>> violates the OWASP ethics of
>> * Treat everyone with respect and dignity
>> * To avoid relationships that impair — or may appear to impair —
>> OWASP's objectivity and independence.
>> Dennis
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