[Owasp-leaders] Why I don't vote and neither should you...

Michael Coates michael.coates at owasp.org
Mon Nov 5 23:04:46 UTC 2012


The discussion could be refocused on engaging the community for our OWASP
elections - if this is an area of interest for people to discuss.



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On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:

> For me, I live in a republic. People died so I could vote. That's what
> drives me. But I don't think political debate is a place on an OWASP list.
> Fair?
>
>
> Eoin Keary
> Owasp Global Board
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>
> On 5 Nov 2012, at 22:33, Yvan Boily <yvanboily at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> I don't know if anyone followed up off list, and I thought about not
> responding, but your post is still bugging me several days later.
>
> I understand all of the different reasons why someone shouldn't vote, or
> why the democratic system in most countries that allow elections are
> flawed, and to be honest, as a Canadian watching the US election, it is,
> for me, a spectator sport (sadly, since our economy is closely tied to the
> US economy in many ways).
>
> The problem is very neatly summed up by Winston Churchill in his speech in
> 1947 "*No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it
> has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all
> those other forms that have been tried from time to time.*"
>
> My problem with it is that the people are presented with an opportunity to
> influence change through a vote, and as flawed a system as it is, it, along
> with the courts, provide the only mechanisms that can be used to select
> leadership and affect policy.  If all of the smart people who understand
> how to apply game theory and are aware of the shenanigans fail to get
> involved and motivate people, then ultimately all of the not-so-smart
> people who can be swayed by talking points and stump speeches will be the
> mass that choose the direction of the government.
>
> I know the US election is tomorrow, and new information or activity at
> this point would be ineffective, but it is just not practical to sit on the
> side-lines and argue against the system.  If you have the right to vote,
> you owe it to all of the people who don't have that right to exercise it,
> no matter how flawed the system is.  You don't have to be a politician, but
> there is more to democratic society than just casting a vote; for the
> society to thrive it requires in engaging in political discourse with
> friends and family, and promoting and living the ideals that its members
> would aspire to, and it takes smart, principled people engaging in the
> political process.
>
> Sometimes it is good to leave the academic discussions in the Ivory Tower,
> do the practical thing, and go out and vote!
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org>wrote:
>
>>
>> http://scriptogr.am/dennis-groves/post/why-i-dont-vote-and-neither-should-you
>> .
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