[Owasp-leaders] ABORT the OWASP Email Lists

Andy Lewis alewis at owasp.org
Thu Jun 7 22:26:55 UTC 2012

+1 Achim!

We're encouraging our Chapter to follow us on twitter (@OWASP303) and
on Linked In (OWASP Denver).  Both have been marginally effective, but
both together haven't been as effective as a working list-server.
We're also using Meetup and some Facebook, but I haven't had a chance
to see what the effectiveness looks like for those methods...

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Achim <achim at owasp.org> wrote:
> Is there a decission that lists move to GoogleGroups? I doubt.
> Before makeing the move, someone needs to verify that GoogleGroups
> satisfies all the needs and (used) features which we currently have
> with mailman at lists.owasp.org.
> See also the outcome of the Summit 2011 working group about the
> mailing lists.
> If we detect that something mandatory is missing at the new system
> (wether GoogleGroups or whatever), things are more worse than some
> delayed or duplicated mails as we have now.
> I'm also vexed about the issues we currently have, but changing
> anything from ground up may not fix them in short or mid term.
> IIRC according some mails in this list, the problems are due to
> various migrations last year. So this experience tells us, that
> makeing somthing new does not always make it better.
> Let's fix the problems we know, instead of risking additional ones.
> Said this, I'd continue as follows:
>  #1 priority: fix left-over migration issues (delayed messages)
>  #2 priority: fix the SPAM filter
>  #3 priority: build an international team who can technical
>               administer lists.owasp.org (sendmail, mailman, etc.)
>  #4 priority: someone can reread the Summit 2011 outcome and make
>               a verification of other systems/tools to be used
>               instead of what we currently have
> Does this make sense?
> Please let's do the work first instead of changing anything.
> I don't speak against innovation and experimentation, but please don't
> experiment on what is OWASP's spine (mail, website) as long as it's
> not proven that it works as needed.
> However, if someone sets up a new system, and we then can migrate to
> it (using scripts or whatever) and then switch to it, simply do it
> we're all fine with that ;-)
> No offence meant to anyone or anything and many thanks to the work
> Larry and Matt did behind the scenes.
> Achim
> Am 07.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Dinis Cruz:
>> Is there a solution/tool to help in this migration (from Mailman to Google
>> Groups)
>> Or should I go and create an O2 Script to do it?
>> Dinis Cruz
>> On 29 May 2012 17:45, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> The OWASP emails lists are beyond messed up right now.
>>> I call for a full abort to Google Groups as an interstitial measure
>>> until this is resolved by the foundation.
>>> Several projects have already quietly made this move, and several
>>> chapters are considering it now.
>>> So, if your chapter or project is struggling with the Mailmain mess, do
>>> not ask for permission, just make the move to Google groups as you see
>>> fit until a workable solution presents itself. What we have now is NOT
>>> workable at all.
>>> Innovation and Experimentation are our core values so GO FOR IT.
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> --
>>> Jim Manico
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