[Owasp-leaders] Christian Heinrich
Stephen Craig Evans
stephencraig.evans at gmail.com
Wed Jul 11 21:51:09 UTC 2012
I haven't spoke on this forum for a long time but I agree with you.
"From my perspective, we had finally put this issue to rest. The guy
not only misbehaved in multiple ways, but any contributions he made
were far outweighed by the damage he caused constantly stirring the
pot and driving people away.
Do you not remember how acrimonious the leaders list was when he was a
So what, Rex. Why do you care so much? People are human. I've flown
off the handle and have made a lot of people angry. Whoop-de-doo.
Dissension and conflict is very healthy. And "normal" people can get
gossipy and hung up with their own agendas.
OWASP is about openness, and that should include some people pissing
off other people. If "normal" people can't take the heat, then they
should get out of the kitchen.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
> We have a core set of values around allowing everyone to participate
> in OWASP. There are a large number of disruptive people in the
> community, frankly its almost par for the course.
> I might be in error, Rex. But I would rather err on the side of
> transparency and inclusivity. 2 members of the OWASP Australian
> community approached me and said that the closed-door nature of the
> board hearing was problematic, even if we have been at the "give
> Christian a second chance" juncture several times before.
> And frankly, I meant to send that email to the board only, not the 600
> + member leadership list. As the poet Homer said, Doh! But perhaps
> this is for the best...
> Jim Manico
> (808) 652-3805
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Rex Booth <rex.booth at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Why is this being brought up now?
>> From my perspective, we had finally put this issue to rest. The guy not only misbehaved in multiple ways, but any contributions he made were far outweighed by the damage he caused constantly stirring the pot and driving people away.
>> Do you not remember how acrimonious the leaders list was when he was a participant? And do you really think your time is best spent hand-holding Christian and filtering his communications upon his return? That's maximizing value for OWASP?
>> Frankly, I'm disappointed you bring this up, Jim. From my perspective, the board finally took action to remove a cancer from our community, yet here you are trying to orchestrate its return to soothe your pangs of conscience.
>> One of the requirements of leadership is the ability to make tough decisions. All of us here should respect that the board (finally) did so in this case and let the issue rest. OWASP is not the only security community on earth - let Christian find another one to join.
>> On Jul 3, 2012, at 3:21 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Can we give Christian Heinrich one more chance?
>>> The way his suspension went down was fishy in a few different aspects,
>>> and I am constantly haunted my our mission statement "everyone is free
>>> to participate".
>>> Christian has assured me that he will behave properly in the future.
>>> When I researched the issues that led to his getting suspend, I think
>>> he really was attacked in many ways (even though his response to this
>>> was unacceptable).
>>> 3 times is the charm. Can we give him one more chance?
>>> If so, I will work with him personally to help him communicate better
>>> with the community.
>>> Thanks all,
>>> Jim Manico
>>> VP, Security Architecture
>>> WhiteHat Security
>>> (808) 652-3805
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