[Owasp-leaders] Full time OWASP evangelist...

Jerry Hoff jerry at owasp.org
Sat Dec 15 00:42:56 UTC 2012


Thanks Dennis,

I recommend you communicate with the board - it might be majority already agree with this proposal.

We might need to start a new board called "owasp-bedtime-stories" where we use nursery rhymes to communicate with each other.

Jerry



On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

> THE HORSE AND HIS GROOM
> There was a groom who used to sell his horse's barley to the innkeepers and drink all evening long. He would then spend the whole next day combing and currying the horse. The horse said to the groom, 'If you really want me to look good, then don't sell the food that nourishes me!'
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> If you truly aim to help OWASP please participate in the board meetings and listen to the problems, and get to know he organization *BEFORE* your propose solutions. 
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> Dennis
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> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
> If free training works - why not do more? 
> 
> I don't think any one person will be the focal attention point, but we need someone out full time raising awareness and getting corporate sponsorship.
> 
> For the record I think Dinis Cruz would be great in this role. 
> 
> Jerry
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> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Konstantinos Papapanagiotou <Konstantinos at owasp.org> wrote:
> 
>> I've said in many occasions that I'm against OWASP having a CEO, and if an "evangelist" means CEO, then I guess I'm against it as well. The main reason would be that it would potentially place too much attention on a single person and that person might end up actually "being" OWASP for a lot of people.
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>> I'd like to see that the responsibilities of that person will be before I nominate someone. Also, what characteristics/qualities are we looking at?
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>> Will he be doing training? Will he be the only one doing training? Why? Are we moving away from the free training model that for example Eoin and Jim gave? From the Training Days (https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Greece/Training/OWASP_projects_and_resources_you_can_use_TODAY) that were huge success both financially and in terms of reaching out to the community?
>> 
>> Aside from that I think that there are numerous amazing initiatives that kicked off at some point but eventually stayed there and never grew (training days are a perfect example). We need paid employees to make sure that such initiatives keep going. I don't care if we call them project managers, CEO, evangelists or whatever.
>> 
>> Kostas
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>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
>> I think a technical evangelist / CEO role would pay for himself / herself almost immediately.
>> 
>> Imagine doing training where all the $$ goes back to OWASP, in addition to spending time doing fundraising, etc....
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
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>> > Jerry,
>> > It comes down to cash and revenue stream. I'd love  to have a CEO of owasp also.
>> >
>> >
>> > Eoin Keary
>> > Owasp Global Board
>> > +353 87 977 2988
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14 Dec 2012, at 04:52, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Esteemed Board and Leaders,
>> >>
>> >> I've been doing a lot of thinking about OWASP and our mission - and I really think we need a little more balance.
>> >>
>> >> We obviously have a strong volunteer base consisting of many of the most experienced and motivated web app sec pros on the planet.
>> >>
>> >> However, I think we also need more full time owasp employees to evangelize, coordinate and guide us as we experience sustained growth, attention and involvement.
>> >>
>> >> We want to make appsec more visible, to inform as many stakeholders as possible of the security issues that plague web and application development.
>> >>
>> >> To better achieve these ends I move to start a petition / movement to hire a full time evangelist.
>> >>
>> >> Ideally this would be a position filled by a vocal advocate for OWASP and appsec who can take our message and advance it out to the developer community at large.
>> >>
>> >> This role could also assist the other full time owasp employees shape and guide the organization and its outreach efforts.
>> >>
>> >> Along with owasp, I've been highly involved with toastmasters - what they have done as an organization can easily serve as an organizational  template for us.
>> >>
>> >> I have deep love and respect for OWASP and everyone who volunteers - I'm extremely confident that investing in a full time evangelist will reap huge returns and cement OWASP even more firmly in the development world.
>> >>
>> >> Leaders, what do you think? Would love to hear from those who agree / disagree. Anyone interested in full time OWASP evangelizing?
>> >>
>> >> In the meantime I'm going to be working towards getting corporate sponsorship to fund more full timers.
>> >>
>> >> Distinti saluti,
>> >> Jerry
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