[Owasp-leaders] Why it's ok to pay leaders

John Wilander john.wilander at owasp.org
Fri Apr 13 18:10:52 UTC 2012


Is there anyone on the board opposing OWASP should pay OWASP leaders?

(Otherwise it's kind of a done deal if we do not have a referendum, right?)

/J

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13 apr 2012 kl. 13:44 skrev Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org>:

> Hi,
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> The wiki page is here:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Projects_Reboot_2012
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> I think we have debated this enough, written blogs and had phone conversations.
> I hope for the board to ratify, or not the proposal today.
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> Eoin
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> On 13 April 2012 11:10, John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org> wrote:
> I would prefer a referendum among leaders preceded by both sides presenting their side of the matter on a wiki tab each. We would also need a info page what is actually proposed. "Pay" is too vague. This is an important question for the foundation. If a majority of leaders vote the community will have a much easier time accepting the outcome than if the board decides.
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> If the board doesn't want a referendum I assume you will not take part in the discussion nor the vote, Eoin, since it's your proposal.
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>    Regards, John
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> 13 apr 2012 kl. 11:33 skrev Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org>:
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>> Im afraid that is not true.....
>> The 2008 summer of code, leaders were paid.
>> Great projects were delivered.... check the wiki.
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>> Can we let the board decide this matter? It is what the board is for.
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>> On 12 April 2012 16:05, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Its not open to all, OWASP leaders must not be paid by OWASP. Did you not read Dinis's message? You seem to fail to understand that OWASP has been down this route of paying its leaders at least twice and it failed both times. 
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>> Once you go down that route you destroy OWASP's meritocracy and cease to be the an open social organization.  
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>> You create a corporation; and corporations are closed not open. You don't for example share openly the salaries of all the different paid employees with each other. Why? Did you watch the TED talk about morality in animals? Even monkeys refuse to work under such conditions. So, you must start closing OWASP. This is no longer OWASP its CWASP.
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>> You are right this shouldn't need to be up for discussion, but clearly some of members still fail to understand that this is the very fabric of OWASP and that we not only is paying OWASP leaders verboten; it is tantamount destroying OWASP, and I know you are not advocating this! :-)
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>> *I have choose just a single problem,that would result - Dinis has identified over 15 in his email that would require resolutions to make it work*
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>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 15:08, Kenneth Van Wyk <ken at krvw.com> wrote:
>> OK, gotta chime in. I've followed this thread, and frankly, I can't even imagine why it's up for discussion.
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>> If OWASP has money to fund a project/event/whatever, AND
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>> Bidding on that funded effort is open to all, AND
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>> There is a fair and equitable selection process, with appropriate checks and balances, removal of conflicts of interest, AND
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>> An OWASP Leader happens to be selected, THEN
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>> It's a win for everyone.
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>> OWASP gets the effort from the person(s) selected.
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>> The selected person(s) gets revenue for his/her efforts.
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>> I mean, DUH! Why aren't we all doing a face-palm over this non-issue?
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>> Please explain what I'm missing here.
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>> Cheers,
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>> Ken van Wyk
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