[Owasp-leaders] Why it's ok to pay leaders

Colin Watson colin.watson at owasp.org
Fri Apr 13 14:57:04 UTC 2012


An active chapter might be able to adopt a neglected project and focus on
doing the next upgrade or release. It might work easier with a group of
people in the same geographical location.

Colin


On 13 April 2012 15:31, Dale Castle <dale.castle at owasp.org> wrote:

> I am in the process of rebooting my chapter and find it frustrating to see
> many outdated projects. I agree that we need to focus on critical projects
> like OWASP top ten and those directly supporting that effort and archive
> others. I pledge 25% of my chapter funding to this effort.
>
> Dale
> Charlottesville Chapter Leader
>
>
> On Friday, April 13, 2012, Eoin wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The wiki page is here:
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Projects_Reboot_2012
>>
>> I think we have debated this enough, written blogs and had phone
>> conversations.
>> I hope for the board to ratify, or not the proposal today.
>>
>>
>> Eoin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 April 2012 11:10, John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>  I would prefer a referendum among leaders preceded by both sides
>> presenting their side of the matter on a wiki tab each. We would also need
>> a info page what is actually proposed. "Pay" is too vague. This is an
>> important question for the foundation. If a majority of leaders vote the
>> community will have a much easier time accepting the outcome than if the
>> board decides.
>>
>> If the board doesn't want a referendum I assume you will not take part in
>> the discussion nor the vote, Eoin, since it's your proposal.
>>
>>    Regards, John
>>
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>> 13 apr 2012 kl. 11:33 skrev Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org>:
>>
>>   Im afraid that is not true.....
>> The 2008 summer of code, leaders were paid.
>> Great projects were delivered.... check the wiki.
>>
>> Can we let the board decide this matter? It is what the board is for.
>>
>> On 12 April 2012 16:05, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Its not open to all, OWASP leaders must not be paid by OWASP. Did you not
>> read Dinis's message? You seem to fail to understand that OWASP has been
>> down this route of paying its leaders at least twice and it failed both
>> times.
>>
>> Once you go down that route you destroy OWASP's meritocracy and cease to
>> be the an open social organization.
>>
>> You create a corporation; and corporations are closed not open. You don't
>> for example share openly the salaries of all the different paid employees
>> with each other. Why? Did you watch the TED talk about morality in animals?
>> Even monkeys refuse to work under such conditions. So, you must start
>> closing OWASP. This is no longer OWASP its CWASP.
>>
>> You are right this shouldn't need to be up for discussion, but clearly
>> some of members still fail to understand that this is the very fabric of
>> OWASP and that we not only is paying OWASP leaders verboten; it is
>> tantamount destroying OWASP, and I know you are not advocating this! :-)
>>
>> *I have choose just a single problem,that would result - Dinis has
>> identified over 15 in his email that would require resolutions to make it
>> work*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dennis Groves <http://about.me/dennis.groves>, MSc
>> dennis.groves at owasp.org
>>
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>>  On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 15:08, Kenneth Van Wyk <ken at krvw.com> wro
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