[Owasp-leaders] Why it's ok to pay leaders

Eoin eoin.keary at owasp.org
Fri Apr 13 11:44:21 UTC 2012


Hi,

The wiki page is here:
https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Projects_Reboot_2012

I think we have debated this enough, written blogs and had phone
conversations.
I hope for the board to ratify, or not the proposal today.


Eoin






On 13 April 2012 11:10, John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org> wrote:

>  I would prefer a referendum among leaders preceded by both sides
> presenting their side of the matter on a wiki tab each. We would also need
> a info page what is actually proposed. "Pay" is too vague. This is an
> important question for the foundation. If a majority of leaders vote the
> community will have a much easier time accepting the outcome than if the
> board decides.
>
> If the board doesn't want a referendum I assume you will not take part in
> the discussion nor the vote, Eoin, since it's your proposal.
>
>    Regards, John
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> 13 apr 2012 kl. 11:33 skrev Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org>:
>
>    Im afraid that is not true.....
> The 2008 summer of code, leaders were paid.
> Great projects were delivered.... check the wiki.
>
> Can we let the board decide this matter? It is what the board is for.
>
> On 12 April 2012 16:05, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Its not open to all, OWASP leaders must not be paid by OWASP. Did you not
>> read Dinis's message? You seem to fail to understand that OWASP has been
>> down this route of paying its leaders at least twice and it failed both
>> times.
>>
>> Once you go down that route you destroy OWASP's meritocracy and cease to
>> be the an open social organization.
>>
>> You create a corporation; and corporations are closed not open. You don't
>> for example share openly the salaries of all the different paid employees
>> with each other. Why? Did you watch the TED talk about morality in animals?
>> Even monkeys refuse to work under such conditions. So, you must start
>> closing OWASP. This is no longer OWASP its CWASP.
>>
>> You are right this shouldn't need to be up for discussion, but clearly
>> some of members still fail to understand that this is the very fabric of
>> OWASP and that we not only is paying OWASP leaders verboten; it is
>> tantamount destroying OWASP, and I know you are not advocating this! :-)
>>
>> *I have choose just a single problem,that would result - Dinis has
>> identified over 15 in his email that would require resolutions to make it
>> work*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>  On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 15:08, Kenneth Van Wyk <ken at krvw.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  OK, gotta chime in. I've followed this thread, and frankly, I can't
>>> even imagine why it's up for discussion.
>>>
>>> If OWASP has money to fund a project/event/whatever, AND
>>>
>>> Bidding on that funded effort is open to all, AND
>>>
>>> There is a fair and equitable selection process, with appropriate checks
>>> and balances, removal of conflicts of interest, AND
>>>
>>> An OWASP Leader happens to be selected, THEN
>>>
>>> It's a win for everyone.
>>>
>>> OWASP gets the effort from the person(s) selected.
>>>
>>> The selected person(s) gets revenue for his/her efforts.
>>>
>>> I mean, DUH! Why aren't we all doing a face-palm over this non-issue?
>>>
>>> Please explain what I'm missing here.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ken van Wyk
>>>
>>>
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