[Owasp-leaders] Why it's ok to pay leaders

Antonio Fontes antonio.fontes at owasp.org
Thu Apr 12 16:44:32 UTC 2012


Well, it seems to me that it was a success because these leaders turned
into contributors for a short period of time during which they invested
in intensive effort.

Which brings me back to my previous email in which...*cough cough* ;)

Antonio

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Antonio Fontes
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OWASP Geneva, chapter leader
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On 12.04.2012 17:18, Eoin wrote:
> I'm afraid that is not true.
> The 2008 summer of code, leaders were paid.
> Great projects were delivered.
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pAX6n7m2zaTXOoAbaMx5CSA
>  
>  
> Can we let the board decide this matter. its what the board is here to do.
> Lets not have a civil war about this....either way the goal is to try an
> get our projects up and running again and foster new ones, right? :0)
> 
> 
>  
> On 12 April 2012 16:05, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org
> <mailto:dennis.groves at owasp.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Its not open to all, OWASP leaders must not be paid by OWASP. Did
>     you not read Dinis's message? You seem to fail to understand that
>     OWASP has been down this route of paying its leaders at least twice
>     and it failed both times.
> 
>     Once you go down that route you destroy OWASP's meritocracy and
>     cease to be the an open social organization. 
> 
>     You create a corporation; and corporations are closed not open. You
>     don't for example share openly the salaries of all the different
>     paid employees with each other. Why? Did you watch the TED talk
>     about morality in animals? Even monkeys refuse to work under such
>     conditions. So, you must start closing OWASP. This is no longer
>     OWASP its CWASP.
> 
>     You are right this shouldn't need to be up for discussion, but
>     clearly some of members still fail to understand that this is the
>     very fabric of OWASP and that we not only is paying OWASP leaders
>     verboten; it is tantamount destroying OWASP, and I know you are not
>     advocating this! :-)
> 
>     *I have choose just a single problem,that would result - Dinis has
>     identified over 15 in his email that would require resolutions to
>     make it work*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     Dennis Groves <http://about.me/dennis.groves>, MSc
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> 
>     On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 15:08, Kenneth Van Wyk <ken at krvw.com
>     <mailto:ken at krvw.com>> wrote:
> 
>         OK, gotta chime in. I've followed this thread, and frankly, I
>         can't even imagine why it's up for discussion.
> 
>         If OWASP has money to fund a project/event/whatever, AND
> 
>         Bidding on that funded effort is open to all, AND
> 
>         There is a fair and equitable selection process, with
>         appropriate checks and balances, removal of conflicts of
>         interest, AND
> 
>         An OWASP Leader happens to be selected, THEN
> 
>         It's a win for everyone.
> 
>         OWASP gets the effort from the person(s) selected.
> 
>         The selected person(s) gets revenue for his/her efforts.
> 
>         I mean, DUH! Why aren't we all doing a face-palm over this
>         non-issue?
> 
>         Please explain what I'm missing here.
> 
>         Cheers,
> 
>         Ken van Wyk
> 
> 
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