[Owasp-leaders] Owasp projects reboot

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Mon Apr 2 17:21:53 UTC 2012


We (the Owasp leaders) cannot be paid by Owasp

That is one of our 'perks' as Owasp leaders :)

Dinis Cruz

On 2 Apr 2012, at 18:18, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

How much does it pay? I already give OWASP the majority of my life, I'm
going to have to be hired away to give anything else.

Dennis
On Apr 2, 2012 5:52 PM, "Rex Booth" <rex.booth at owasp.org> wrote:

> There are 6 people on the GPC.
>
> If you think that is too few or are frustrated with the lack of progress,
> you are welcome to sign up and contribute.
>
> And with regards to your visions of a "real board", I'm not sure that that
> works in your world, but in the OWASP model, a board that tries to put
> anybody's head on a platter is likely to quickly lose the support of their
> volunteer base.
>
> Rex
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org>wrote:
>
>> Seriously?
>> 3 people?
>>
>> That is ***EMBARRASSING***
>>
>> A real board would have the CEO's head on a platter for such lack of
>> accountability. What organisation do you know this size than runs on 3
>> people? No wonder we are falling apart at the seams. What in gods name
>> could possibly justify such little spend on something so essential???
>>
>> Dennis
>>
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>> dennis.groves at owasp.org
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>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 14:06, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI we have invested 190k in salaries for staff for 2012 and our
>>> Director and staff are is handling the void until the GPC is able to write
>>> the job description and we are able to fill that role Dinis.
>>>
>>> If you want to really help, plug back into the GPC and help with
>>> defining the workflow and the responsibilities,  GPC is a small committee
>>> with one of the biggest jobs
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Global_Committee_Pages
>>>
>>> For what it is worth for the the people watching this thread - this is
>>> on the agenda for the next board meeting at AppSecDC this week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:42 AM, dinis cruz wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think there are a couple of reasons why the GPC (Global Projects
>>> Committee -
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:Global_Projects_Committee) is
>>> MIA in this conversation, on their own mailing list, in creating new
>>> projects, in migrating into SF , etc...:
>>> >
>>> >  - overwhelmed by the amount of work
>>> >  - lack of energy
>>> >  - no operational support (ie no employee to help)
>>> >  - no community support (other owasp-leaders)
>>> >
>>> > For me, the key problem that the GPC has today, is the lack of an
>>> operational resource like the one we had in Paulo Coimbra.
>>> >
>>> > Paulo was the rock and enabler behind OWASP's projects, and his
>>> spectacular patience and attention to detail, helped lots of projects to
>>> start and flourish. For a reminder of his great work, take a look at
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/User:Paulo_Coimbra specially this page
>>> which is probably the best overview that we have for our projects:
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Projects_Dashboard_2.0
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately Paulo's actions (and value) where never fully
>>> appreciated , which is clearly seen by the fact that he was not replaced
>>> when he left OWASP (note that it was not a question of lack of funds, it
>>> was a strategic decision to NOT replace Paulo with equivalent resource(s) )
>>> >
>>> > So maybe we could use the current energy and focus on OWASP projects
>>> to correct this?
>>> >
>>> > OWASP needs dedicated employee(s) to manage it's projects. And if
>>> there are any funds spent on owasp projects, those funds should first go to
>>> hire these resource(s)
>>> >
>>> > And if you disagree, please take a look at
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Projects_Dashboard_2.0 and come
>>> up with a better solution to manage that.
>>> >
>>> > At the moment we don't know what is the status of our projects
>>> (including it's community use, downloads, energy).
>>> >
>>> > Without that info, I don't think that it is possible to chose which
>>> projects to 'invest'
>>> >
>>> > Dinis Cruz
>>> >
>>> > On 2 Apr 2012, at 12:46, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Interesting idea - what happens when somebody passionate comes along
>>> and wants to poor a lot of energy into a project that is abandoned - and
>>> the 'project leader' is long disappeared from the internets (Think Why the
>>> lucky stiff for example)? How do we turn over the keys to that individual?
>>> >>
>>> >> Also who is on the project committee, and are they involved in this
>>> conversation? It seems they have some actions they owe the community...
>>> >>
>>> >> Dennis
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Dennis Groves, MSc
>>> >> dennis.groves at owasp.org
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:49, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> >> Inactive project leaders may need to hand over leadership also if
>>> they don't think they can commit (myself included).
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Eoin Keary
>>> >> BCC Risk Advisory
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>>> >> +353 87 977 2988
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2 Apr 2012, at 07:07, daniel cuthbert <daniel.cuthbert at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> 'ASVS has been left untouched for awhile and requires a good revamp.'
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sahba and I are actually working on this :) yes, it's been left and
>>> a good revamp is currently underway
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 2 April 2012 05:21, Zaki Akhmad <za at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> >>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> >>> > Hello leaders,
>>> >>> > I am developing a proposal to be put to the board next week in
>>> relation to rebooting a number of dormant owasp projects or improving
>>> current owasp projects to "production quality" items.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Question: May I kindly ask what projects do you think are the 6
>>> most important projects within the foundation???
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Can you respond with your top 6 by Monday, sorry for being
>>> demanding :)
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > (My choices are: testing guide, development guide, code review
>>> guide, O2, Zap, cheat sheets.)
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > "we are nothing without our projects."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My choices are:
>>> >>> - Testing Guide
>>> >>> - Mobile Security Project
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Zaki Akhmad
>>> >>> OWASP Indonesia Chapter Leader
>>> >>> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Indonesia
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