[Owasp-leaders] OWASP Top 10 2012

John Melton jtmelton at gmail.com
Fri Oct 7 11:24:17 EDT 2011

I agree with several of the opinions expressed here. I tend to think of this
in a wizard style approach (there's been talk of this style of organization
in other project areas as well, I think Curphey had this in his keynote from
appsecusa). For instance, I personally am a Java guy, so I'd logically like
to have a flow that says Top 10 list -> CSRF (Issue I have) -> choose
technology -> Java -> choose framework(s) -> Struts 2 -> now get
prescriptive guidance. To me that's the simplest and most logical flow for
developers. I have no idea how a flow like that would work within the wiki,
btw. Just speaking for Java, I think there's little value in providing
solutions unless you give framework-specific (not just language-specific)
guidance, since that's where most devs live.

Clearly the top 10 has had tremendous impact on the industry - this seems
like a very logical place to start given the recent focus of strong
developer outreach. The top 10 doc is probably the 1 item OWASP produces
that is in the hands of more developers than anything else (from my
experience), so giving them solid solutions seems a good idea.

As an aside, my top 10 blog set was really meant to show the power of ESAPI.
So while it is Java specific, there are often more framework compliant ways
to accomplish the solutions (like token solutions for CSRF in all the


On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:

> Exactly! First of all, Troy Hunt is a total rockstar. He is mirroring
> the OWASP Top Ten in a way that is 100% .NET branded for .NET
> developers with .NET solutions.
> Even if the actually high level items are the same as the general Top
> Ten, the language branded versions reach developers and speak to
> developers in a pretty deep way.
> The devil is in the detail - and unlike the general Top Ten, Troy's
> work provides fairly deep prescriptive language-specific solutions.
> There are several bloggers (Melton?) who have pushed out Java centric
> Top Ten literature. The groundwork is out there. I'd love to see a
> group managed by Dave's penchant for detail to produce (at least)
> official OWASP Java,  .NET and PHP Top Ten documents. I think this is
> a better approach than just providing language specific examples in
> the general doc for the sake of deeply influencing developers.
> IMO,
> --
> Jim Manico
> (808) 652-3805
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Mark Curphey <mark at curphey.com> wrote:
> > Troy hunt has already done a series on T10 and .net. He's a .net security
> MVP.  I am sure he'll donate. Shall I ask him?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, you are right on. It's a crucial way to influence developers more
> >> - and influencing developers is the real mission of OWASP from days of
> >> yore. Shall we get started? I'll lend a hand.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jim Manico
> >> (808) 652-3805
> >>
> >> On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Erwin Geirnaert
> >> <erwin.geirnaert at zionsecurity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>>
> >>> During some discussions this week with Java developers while giving a
> security training I got the following remark: "why are there so many
> ASP.NET/PHP issues in the OWASP Top 10, is Java more secure"?
> >>>
> >>> So what I propose is to create a specific OWASP Top 10 for different
> technologies: Microsoft, Java, PHP and we can still have one global Top 10.
> >>> Ofcourse based on the CVE database but it will be more clear for the
> developers and I think that the OWASP Top 10 for Java will be very different
> than OWASP Top 10 for PHP.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Erwin
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