[Owasp-leaders] Knuth / Quote / Thought

Konstantinos Papapanagiotou conpap at di.uoa.gr
Mon Nov 7 15:56:50 EST 2011


Couldn't agree more with Dennis! Amazing analogy. This is what I always thought that it's the most amazing thing about OWASP. 
Btw in Greek "university" means "master of all sciences", in contrast with Marc's recent comments (and the need for extreme specialization that dominates our time).

On 7 Νοε 2011, at 11:59, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

> OWASP creates a lot of value for member and non-members alike. And I believe that many people would love to have a successful organisation the size of OWASP, weather for profit or not. OWASP is a very interesting social phenomena because we successfully operate without all the any of the traditional structure believed to be necessary to have a successful organisation. And even more radically - many of us have never even met in real life! 
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> Can you imagine MBA schools teaching people to run their business in the way we run OWASP? It seems almost laughable and yet OWASP manages to continue to exist, grow and influence despite these apparent handicaps. Personally, I believe we have a very healthy community and organisation - and I think the success of OWASP is reflected in the OWASP management model. Many open-source & GPL projects operate similarly. Is this the future of management? I would like to think so, and I tend to think of it as very state of the art.
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> What was interesting was reading Donald Knuth's views - because on some level he was saying that this is how greek universities operated. The greek universities gathered into a physical space and had met each other, where OWASP gathers in cyberspace and from time to time in physical space. And thus, perhaps what OWASP has done is not something new at all - but rediscovered the old and successful model given that the University tradition continues even to this day.
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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
> Dennis,
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> I do not really get what you meant to say with your email.
> Could you be so kind and explain it to me!
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> Cheers,
> -Martin
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> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
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> Photo by Timothy Archibald
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> "I have always liked the concept of universities as they were in Ancient Greece, where folks who had something cool to say would just come and say it. It wasn't about recognition; the impetus was the thought that you were resonating with ideas."  –Professor Knuth
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> When I think about OWASP, it is the social aspect that fascinates me the most. I often think of our meritocracy as something very innovative. But perhaps what we have rediscovered is the concept of a University as imagined by the Ancient Greeks.
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