[Owasp-leaders] Proposed model for SI to hire Sandra as an OWASP resource
dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Mon Jan 31 14:10:10 EST 2011
OWASP currently uses CC-SA-BY (
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/) as you can see on the bottom
of all pages at owasp.org.
I would actually prefer this to be released under a more flexible CC-BY
license (see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) since the point is
to encourage the wide use of these materials.
But we are still in time to make changes, so Jerry what would be
your preferred license?
On 31 January 2011 18:24, Jerry Hoff <jerry at jerryhoff.net> wrote:
> Hi Dinis,
> There are multiple CC licenses:
> Can you be more specific as to the exact cc license these materials will be
> released under?
> On 2/1/11 1:59 AM, dinis cruz wrote:
> OWASP Leaders,
> I have been trying for a while to find a model that allows professional
> talent to work for OWASP, as externally-paid resources, by companies who
> have interested in the deliverables of that talent .... and .... I think
> that I finally found one (including two parties that want to 'try it out')
> This is the equivalent of an OWASP employee, where OWASP doesn't pay
> him/her, but instead the employee's time is donated to OWASP by a 3rd party
> company (who pays for the resource donated). Of course that there will be
> some requirements made by the entity paying the bill, but as long as
> everything is transparent and open, we should be fine.
> In this specific example, we are talking about a company (SI,
> http://www.securityinnovation.com) that has interest in
> working/developing/releasing CC (http://creativecommons.org) OWASP
> materials that can be used by:
> - the entire OWASP community, and
> - other application security services providers (like SI).
> During the Academies meeting, held in Lisbon on January, Security
> Innovation and Sandra Paiva became the two sides of a very interesting
> proposition. SI was interested in creating eLearning courses on OWASP
> materials. For that, they would need to find someone to prepare the
> necessary contents and create training decks of slides that could then be
> used for the production of their eLearning platforms (which SI owns and
> sells as a service (just like many others)). Sandra, on the other hand, was
> finishing her 3 months contract to operationalize the OWASP Academies/ OWASP
> Training and was available to continue her collaboration with OWASP.
> As you can see below, SI needs (for its own training business) to have
> access to high quality materials from OWASP Projects. SI has taken a view
> (correct in my point of view) that they have a lot to gain, if a number of
> their 'OWASP related activities' and investments are shared back to OWASP
> under a CC license.
> Since there are obvious synergies between SI and OWASP (all done under an
> CC/OpenSource umbrella) and because Sandra's current work for OWASP has been
> amazing (see the OWASP Training and Academies that she worked on), ** I
> suggested to both SI and Sandra that they worked together on the creation of
> (CC-released) training materials for OWASP projects. I'm happy to say that
> they both accepted, and if all goes well, SI is going to hire Sandra to work
> for OWASP !
> A significant part of Sandra's time will be spend talking/engaging with the
> multiple OWASP Projects. Her focus will be to transform the existing (or
> new) content into training slide-decks. In order to facilitate this (and to
> maximize Sandra's 'OWASP available' time), Sandra would work with Paulo
> Coimbra on his 'OWASP Projects normalization efforts' and help/facilitate
> the updating/organization of those project's content (which means that
> OWASP's benefits from Sandra's activities will be much greater than a set of
> Slide Decks)
> A critical part of this exercise, is the active involvement of the
> project leaders, namely how much they are able to support Sandra (remember
> that everything that Sandra is going to be working on, will be released
> under a CC license! SI (and other companies) are then free to reuse it for
> their own commercial interests, just like they do it today
> As you can see, your input and help (as project leaders) will be
> invaluable for the success of this engagement. In return, your projects will
> be improved and supported by new (high-quality) training decks. These
> slide-decks will be:
> - spread around the entire OWASP community,
> - delivered on OWASP Training events,
> - incorporated inside University courses :)
> Please take a good look at the section included at the end of this email,
> which contains:
> - a general model/framework for this type of collaboration/sponsorships
> with external parties
> - the specific arrangement with Security Innovation and Sandra (note
> that the financial value of this transaction is not included since that is a
> matter between SI and Sanda (if you want to know ask them :) )
> I believe that this is great development for OWASP, and one that should be
> used for finding more 'professionally paid resources' to work on OWASP
> projects (for example, Jim's idea for an ESAPI developer and ESAPI
> documentation-focused resource).
> Since OWASP can't really pay its leaders (where would it start? and how
> could it chose who to pay?), I think this solution presents a perfect
> Note that an 'undocumented' variation of this model is already happening
> in large quantities at OWASP, this is just a way to formalize that model
> (see http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Summit_2011_Attendee for a list of
> companies that are paying their employees to work on 'OWASP related'
> What do you think?
> Dinis Cruz
> *PROPOSED MODEL FOR SI + SANDRA (this was created by SI with input from
> me and Sandra and is designed to be posted on the OWASP WIKI)*
> *General working model:*
> - A Corporation hires an OWASP resource to develop a project of mutual
> interest. The negotiation of duration and payment are between the
> corporation and the resource.
> - The Corporation may contractually oblige the OWASP resource to one or
> more deliverables during the time of service. These deliverables may be
> specified to an OWASP project, to the Corporation or both.
> - The Corporation donates the resource to the OWASP project. The
> contractual relationship between the resource and corporation includes
> clause that the resource will do work for OWASP based on OWASP priorities as
> specified by the organization.
> - The Corporation may specify relative priority of deliverables vs. OWASP
> project leader direction at their discretion.
> *Specific arrangement with SI:
> *- Security Innovation (SI) will hire Sandra Paiva for 6 months at a daily
> rate to be negotiated between SI and Sandra.
> - SI will specify a set of training deck deliverables, along with a
> delivery schedule, in the contract with Sandra. These deliverables will
> specify a set of topics and/or projects that should be covered by training
> slides as well as the minimum quality bar and format that must be met. It
> will be up to Sandra's discretion regarding how these are created and
> delivered. There will be some flexibility in the deliverables to account for
> the unpredictability of working with volunteer project leaders. These
> training deck deliverables will be given to OWASP Academies project as well
> as to SI.
> - SI will contractually specify that these training deck deliverables are
> Sandra's first priority, however she may use additional time in her schedule
> to work on additional priorities as stated by Dinis and these will be for
> her to work with the OWASP Project Manager, Paulo, to spread the GPC
> template for as much projects as possible.
> - All materials covered in the contract with Sandra will be released under
> a CC license and put available on the OWASP wiki.
> - SI (and others) can use the CC materials produced to
> create proprietary e-learning content or other materials at their
> - SI will provide priorities and a roadmap that can be used to flesh out
> training deck content. While these will be based on SI priorities and
> customer feedback, they also can provide a valuable starting point for OWASP
> to work from.
> *As for SI's motivation, please read below the paragraph writen by them in
> the process of discussing this matter:
> ***Why is SI doing this?*
> * *In their own words:* **"**...Security Innovation is in the business of
> creating world class training for our customers. We have a very good process
> for turning training material into app security focused eLearning classes
> that appeal to practitioners. One of our challenges is keeping our 'pipe' of
> incoming high-quality training content full. We have a great team of
> internal SMEs and a network of external contractors that we can source
> training content from. However, none of these people have a full time
> responsibility for content generation and so the stream of content can
> become unpredictable at times. This arrangement with OWASP can not only
> provide value to the OWASP community as a whole but will also provide a
> predictable stream of high quality content to SI for the next few months.
> We've determined that for a similar amount of money we could hire a
> contractor to organize OWASP content and training content for us, however we
> feel that cooperating with OWASP in this manner improves our connection with
> the OWASP community while providing value to both OWASP and SI
> simultaneously. What we lose in the process is full control over the slide
> decks and sole-ownership of their content. We feel that we will be able to
> differentiate enough through our eLearning development process that this
> risk is mitigated and offset by the relationship we will be building with
> the community at large..."*
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