[Owasp-leaders] Solutions

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Wed Jan 19 11:42:53 EST 2011

The comment on the need to have 'commercial support for OWASP project XYZ'
is absolutely critical for a number of OWASP projects to go to the next

I have done quite a lot thinking about this, and am trying with the OWASP O2
Platform project (that I'm leading) to create a model that others can use.
See http://o2platform.com/wiki/O2_Commercial_Services#O2_Subscriptions for
more details (if others feel the time is right to talk about this, lets add
a working session to the Summit and figure out a plan (I have a lot of ideas
and data to share on this topic)).

Some OWASP projects that need this type of Commercial Service support ASAP
are: WebGoat, WebScarab, ESAPI, ZedProxy, Legal Project, OWASP Academies,
Education Project, OpenSAMM, ASVS, The Guides Trillogy (Testing, Code and
Developer), etc...

that the uptake of O2 subscriptions has been quite small, and one of the
main issues still to be resolved is how should this type of services be
represented at owasp.org website? This is a reflection of the size of the O2
Platform Community and the commitment that it requires from adopting
companies to use it internally (other OWASP projects should have a much
easier 'sale')

OWASP is not set-up to provide this type of services, and in my view, should
never be. What OWASP needs is a vibrant community of commercial companies
providing commercial support around OWASP projects, and then let the market
decide who should get the business.

Dinis Cruz

On 19 January 2011 16:30, Jerry Hoff <jerry at jerryhoff.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I also had a few questions on this:
> >>6) ESAPI, CSRFGuard, AntiSamy and other key "builder" projects get
> full-time technical resources to drive the projects to production
> quality (in terms of docs, too)
> Documentation is definitely a good thing, but I think what's really holding
> back most of these projects from more universal adoption is lack of paid
> support.  I've suggested the use of all three of these libraries above to
> clients - large clients have one question - can we get paid support?  They
> would not even entertain the idea of using these tools on their critical
> applications without someone they can call for a fix if the tools mess
> things up down the road.
> Of course, they use other open source tools as well (apache, log4j, etc...)
> - but those projects usually have voluminous documentation and a large
> community of developers and users.  We have dedicated developers working on
> this (for Java ESAPI at least - some of the other ESAPIs seem a bit
> abandoned...) , and we have a mailing list for ESAPI, but for many large
> corporations, that's not going to be enough.   They want paid support, which
> is not something owasp can offer, i believe.
> If OWASP was going to invest in full timers, I think it would be more
> beneficial to have technical writers buffing out articles (a noticeable
> percentage of articles have quite a few TBDs, and the developer's guide 2.0
> - a cornerstone project - apparently hasn't been updated since March 25,
> 2010 (according to the it's Google Code repository:
> http://code.google.com/p/owasp-development-guide/wiki/Guide - apologies if
> it's being updated offline).  That puppy should be updated weekly to reflect
> the ever growing repository of collective appsec knowledge.
> So more than tools - people come to OWASP for guidance - and the documented
> guidance should be in better shape.   That's how you'll win more hearts and
> minds.
> Respectfully,
> Jerry Hoff
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:51 PM, James McGovern <JMcGovern at virtusa.com>wrote:
>> A few questions/thoughts
>> 1. If OWASP increases the amount of full-time employees in order to
>> support projects, how much more dollars would we have to take in on an
>> annual basis?
>> 2. Since OWASP is incorporated in the United States, would there be
>> extra challenges in having employees who aren't US authorized workers?
>> 3. Why would we limit our thinking to just technical staff? I am of the
>> belief that it would be actually better to have dedicated PR in order to
>> help spread the word as first course of action
>> James McGovern
>> http://twitter.com/McGovernTheory
>> Virtusa Corporation
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>> [mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Jim Manico
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:45 PM
>> To: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>> Subject: [Owasp-leaders] Solutions
>> I received a few off-list emails in support of some of my last few
>> emails to the leaders list. However...
>> I really need to stop my OWASP-attacking emails, especially when
>> I'm not presenting clear solutions.
>> So I would like to take a moment to share my future vision of OWASP with
>> you. This is just one mans subjective opinion. I hope this is good
>> "grist for the mill" in prep for the summit.
>> 1) OWASP Board focuses primarily on fundraising
>> 2) We hire new full time technical staff members working for OWASP
>> 3) We have a smaller number of projects with a higher level of
>> commitment to production quality (Focus, Daniel-san)
>> 4) Quarterly updates of key standard-based projects (ASVS and other
>> OWASP emerging standards)
>> 5) New website with clear paths for Developers, Assessment Specialists,
>> and Managers (Under way)
>> 6) ESAPI, CSRFGuard, AntiSamy and other key "builder" projects get
>> full-time technical resources to drive the projects to production
>> quality (in terms of docs, too)
>> 7) OWASP releases objective tool studies on a bi-yearly basis. I think
>> we are well situated to provide advice and analysis (as well as real
>> metrics) on the capabilities of different SAST/DAST products (if we had
>> full time dedicated resources)
>> Please note, I hope to achieve "eccentric millionaire" status in a few
>> years so I can help fund all of this. I have the "eccentric" part down.
>> I'm working on the other half now. :)
>> Cheers all. Looking forward to seeing you at the summit in Portugal.
>> - Jim
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