[Owasp-leaders] Mailing list -> Forum

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Feb 9 09:21:24 EST 2011


Every single forum software package that I have seen or used has bidirectional configurable email options.

-Jim Manico
http://manico.net

On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:15 AM, "Dr. Dirk Wetter" <dirk.wetter at owasp.org> wrote:

> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
> personally I am happy as long as I can still post and read my
> e-mails from any IMAP/SMTP device I carry with me. A web forum
> is to me every else than "definitely a convenience to email".
> 
> I don't know about iPhones but the Android platform has an
> excellent mailer (k9 mail) so an app is overkill.
> 
> And I do prefer sending to and receiving e-mails from people
> with real names and no anonymous trolls.
> 
> One more point as I mentioned: We should be clear about legal issues
> in other countries.
> 
> B, Dirk
> 
> 
> PS: Sorry for top posting.
> 
> 
> Jerry Hoff schrieb, Am 02/09/2011 11:50 AM:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> Yes, there is definitely a convenience to email, and but forums offer
>> much to the community - so i'm working on a solution to provide both.  I
>> just emailed the developers of a plugin called m2f which allows
>> integration of a forum + mailman, so it may be possible to do both.
>> 
>> At the leadership meeting last night, one of the biggest complains is a
>> lack of effective communication.  A forum would go a *long* way to
>> helping solve this problem, and would make OWASP much more accessible to
>> new members trying to get up to speed with the organization.
>> 
>> Let's use our collective intelligence to solve this problem in a forward
>> looking way.  forum + email backend?  forum + iphone app?  I think it's
>> clear we have to evolve if we want to expand as an organization, we just
>> need to think a little outside of the box to get there.
>> 
>> Keep the conversation going.  Anybody else have an opinion on this?
>> 
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/9/11 11:34 AM, Ofer Maor wrote:
>>> 
>>> I Don’t think we need a trial to tell the diff between forum and email J
>>> 
>>> Forum is by far more useful for threaded discussions (assuming it’s a
>>> good forum J), but has an inherent problem of requiring people to
>>> actively load it. As most of us do OWASP as something in addition to
>>> their day job, it is obvious this will reduce participation… I have a
>>> few forums I’m into (hobbies), and I only go on them when I have some
>>> free time. The OWASP mailing list, I get pushed to the outlook and
>>> phone which I work on (and I assume it’s similar for many others).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This can be partially circumvented by using RSS feeds, though still –
>>> you’ll have to open the forum once u get the feed to reply, making it
>>> much harder to do “in between” other email related work.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ofer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>>> [mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Seba
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:29
>>> *To:* owasp-leaders
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-leaders] Mailing list -> Forum
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> unless we give it a good trial run, we will keep running un circles here.
>>> 
>>> Let's discuss this on the forum? :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Seba
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Ofer Maor <ofer.maor at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:ofer.maor at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm against forums, unless coupled with email. I read 90% of my owasp
>>> emails from my phone as they r pushed in. If I'd have to actively open
>>> a forum I'd likely miss half of what's going on.
>>> 
>>> Ofer.
>>> 
>>> // Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:23, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:jerry at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Leaders,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm writing to put forth an idea that has been floating around OWASP for
>>>> a while, but needs to be implemented. The move from email list -> owasp
>>>> forum.  Although the mailing lists are published, I think the general
>>>> consensus is that the archives are:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) hard to find (in some cases you can only access them via forced
>>> browsing)
>>>> 2) definitely not user-friendly for searching
>>>> 
>>>> A move to a forum will build a stronger OWASP community (hopefully),
>>>> allow for greater transparency among the various chapters, committees
>>>> and the board, and will give new members a place to come and more easily
>>>> interact with the other members of the OWASP community.   It would leave
>>>> searchable record of all the collective OWASP security wisdom in one
>>>> place.
>>>> 
>>>> So does anyone have any strong opinions on the future of
>>>> forum.owasp.org <http://forum.owasp.org>?  Larry Casey has
>>> generously offered to set it up, and I
>>>> think it would be a huge plus for the community.  As Michael Coates
>>>> suggested, we could then start gradually migrating particular volunteer
>>>> groups as a beta, and if it works out, we can ultimately migrate more
>>>> mailing lists over to a forum.
>>>> 
>>>> We can also port the existing mail lists archives into the forum, for
>>>> historical purposes.
>>>> 
>>>> This would give a centralized home for all the regional chapters,
>>>> committees, projects, conferences and the board.
>>>> 
>>>> So leaders, what say you?
>>>> 
>>>> Jerry Hoff
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