[Owasp-leaders] OWASP Home Page Project

Mike Boberski mike.boberski at cox.net
Tue Sep 22 19:54:46 EDT 2009

I'm surprised no one jumped in on this thread; each is an item in my mind
worth exploring; application security is incredibly hard to sell people on,
such weak/non-existent mandates in this space. The Agile-like idea for
example seems to pop up frequently, I think there is something to it. There
is little arguing how the universe latched onto such a superficially silly
thing with religious-like zeal; I have one customer right now for example
where a development team is hiding behind the Agile Scrum process to the
point of defying their management's (and their management's management's,
and their management's management's management's) direct instruction to
start addressing security concerns.

Some initial thoughts on each of the items:

I think the site could benefit for some high-level buckets near the top,
similar to the recent Aspect Security web site update. Perhaps
protect/detect/lifecycle as on the projects page.

Member companies should go to the top, to the side, for the reasons cited
below. I turned many people during ASVS' development into ASVS reviewers
once they scrolled to the bottom.

There is merit to the manifesto thing as mentioned above, the visible thing
is a starting point but isn't all that it could be; here's a starting point
for discussion: (1)A Web application may not disclose or modify user data
without a data owner's permission or, through inaction, allow unauthorized
disclosure or modification of user data. (2)A Web application must obey any
inputs given to it by users or external systems, except where such orders
would conflict with the First Law. (3)A Web application must protect its own
existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or
Second Law.

I'm not sure the media thing is actionable, other than adding a link to an
OWASP POC to respond to media inquiries.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM, McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) <
James.McGovern at thehartford.com> wrote:

>  Figured I would share some marketing oriented thoughts regarding OWASP
> with a focus on our web presence. If you feel I am full of it, then reply
> back :-)
>    - The OWASP website is not relatable. Who is the intended audience?
>    Should we guide folks based on the roles they play?
>    - There is nothing to speak to the legitimacy of OWASP ..... until you
>    scroll down to the bottom and see the corporate endorsements. Those should
>    be higher up on the screen. For those who will debate legitimacy, we have to
>    acknowledge that the masses within IT get giddy when they see famiilar
>    logos. Think folks who love Gartner Magic Quadrants.
>    - Also on the home page there is nothing about what (specific)
>    problem(s) OWASP addresses and fixes. Somewhat sporadic information. We need
>    something more than making web application security visible.
>    - Are there any quotes from people/organizations that were helped by
>    OWASP involvement? Testimonials would attract more attention. Have folks
>    seen the Agile Manifesto and the signatories page? We should do something
>    similar.
>    - Media coverage generally depends on a "face" to work their story.
>    There are likely several angles you can utilize such as the "nimbleness" of
>    a community vs. a corporation in solving a problem. How about a feature
>    covering who are some of its participants. Sort of a personal profile.
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