[Owasp-leaders] Mailing list madness

Helen Gao owasp.li at gmail.com
Thu Sep 17 09:04:05 EDT 2009


Larry,

Please send me a zip/tar.  Glad to help.

Helen Gao

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Laurence Casey <larry.casey at owasp.org>wrote:

>  Helen,
>
> Thanks for the offer.
>
> If you able to migrate Mailman to Google groups, I would like it if you
> could handle it. Let me know what you need and I will zip/tar up the mailman
> directory for you.
>
> --Larry
>
>
>
> On 9/16/09 2:09 PM, "Helen Gao" <owasp.li at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I'm experienced in managing Internet group (Yahoo! group) and would like to
> help.
>
> Helen Gao
> 516-582-4943
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Google Groups = easy for everyone
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/owasp-foundation
>
>  <http://groups.google.com/group/owasp-foundation> The hardpart is the
> migration in a controlled manner and sounds like another project who has
> some bandwidth to spare?
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Brad Causey <bradcausey at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Yea I'm a member of a few other organizations that use the Google Groups,
> and it is a fantastic alternative. I don't see much of a downside.
>
>
> -Brad Causey
> CISSP, MCSE, C|EH, CIFI, CGSP
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Pravir Chandra <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>
> I also take issue with the notion that there's no reason for people to post
> to a list they're not subscribed to (for the same reasons as Rogan). It's a
> matter of whether you're building an inclusive or exclusive community around
> a given project. For my project, I'm trying to build a user community with
> open discussions and any little, tiny barrier-to-entry makes it far more
> difficult.
>
> However, I do understand the spam problem. Having moderated the CLASP list
> for 2+ years with this problem, yes it's a pain. BUT, if you set the
> auto-discard and occasionally check the moderation queue, it's manageable.
> I'm not saying this should be the config for every list, but it should be at
> the project leader's discretion to change it from a default-discard to a
> moderated list.
>
> Not to wander off the subject, by why are we (OWASP) still in the business
> of running a mailman instance in this day and age? We've already migrated
> all of email to Gmail, so why not migrate our lists to Google Groups (or
> some equivalent)? That solves the spam problem, adds a great forums/web
> interface and generally "just works". I'll volunteer the SAMM list as the
> first guinea pig for that migration since I really want/need the extra
> features.
>
> p.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rogan Dawes <lists at dawes.za.net> wrote:
>
> Laurence Casey wrote:
> >  This is normal behavior since I have a script that runs to make sure
> > all lists are configured in a way to help reduce spam. I would prefer to
> > keep it this way and not have a list with special exception. Their is
> > not reason people should want to post to a list they are not subscribed
> > to anyway.
> >
> > --Larry
>
> Well, I take issue with the statement that people have no reason to want
> to post to a list that they are not subscribed to. It is a fairly common
> thing to have a single question, post to the list to get an answer, and
> then vanish again.
>
> That said, having moderated a list that was configured the way that
> Pravir is asking for, it's really not worth the effort dealing with all
> the spam that was previously being bounced, and now suddenly needs to be
> moderated.
>
> Larry's settings really are a good compromise between convenience for
> the users and convenience for the list owner.
>
> Rogan
>
> >
> >
> > On 9/14/09 12:02 PM, "Pravir Chandra" <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
> >
> >     Apologies if I should be sending this some place more specific, but
> >     some mailing list settings have been driving me nuts and I'm not
> >     sure who to ask.
> >
> >     For the SAMM mailing list, I made some settings changes to allow
> >     non-members to post (with moderation) but after a few minutes of it
> >     working correctly, it seems to reset itself. Does anyone else have
> >     this problem or am I just being dim somehow?
> >
> >     p.
> >
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