[Owasp-leaders] Mailing list madness

Laurence Casey larry.casey at owasp.org
Wed Sep 16 14:23:56 EDT 2009


Helen,

Thanks for the offer.

If you able to migrate Mailman to Google groups, I would like it if you
could handle it. Let me know what you need and I will zip/tar up the mailman
directory for you.

--Larry


On 9/16/09 2:09 PM, "Helen Gao" <owasp.li at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> I'm experienced in managing Internet group (Yahoo! group) and would like to
> help.
> 
> Helen Gao
> 516-582-4943
> 
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Google Groups = easy for everyone
>> 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/owasp-foundation
>> 
>>  <http://groups.google.com/group/owasp-foundation> The hardpart is the
>> migration in a controlled manner and sounds like another project who has some
>> bandwidth to spare?
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Brad Causey <bradcausey at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Yea I'm a member of a few other organizations that use the Google Groups,
>>> and it is a fantastic alternative. I don't see much of a downside.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Brad Causey
>>> CISSP, MCSE, C|EH, CIFI, CGSP
>>> 
>>> http://www.owasp.org
>>> --
>>> Never underestimate the time, expense, and effort an opponent will expend to
>>> break a code. (Robert Morris)
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Pravir Chandra <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> I also take issue with the notion that there's no reason for people to post
>>>> to a list they're not subscribed to (for the same reasons as Rogan). It's a
>>>> matter of whether you're building an inclusive or exclusive community
>>>> around a given project. For my project, I'm trying to build a user
>>>> community with open discussions and any little, tiny barrier-to-entry makes
>>>> it far more difficult.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I do understand the spam problem. Having moderated the CLASP list
>>>> for 2+ years with this problem, yes it's a pain. BUT, if you set the
>>>> auto-discard and occasionally check the moderation queue, it's manageable.
>>>> I'm not saying this should be the config for every list, but it should be
>>>> at the project leader's discretion to change it from a default-discard to a
>>>> moderated list.
>>>> 
>>>> Not to wander off the subject, by why are we (OWASP) still in the business
>>>> of running a mailman instance in this day and age? We've already migrated
>>>> all of email to Gmail, so why not migrate our lists to Google Groups (or
>>>> some equivalent)? That solves the spam problem, adds a great forums/web
>>>> interface and generally "just works". I'll volunteer the SAMM list as the
>>>> first guinea pig for that migration since I really want/need the extra
>>>> features.
>>>> 
>>>> p.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rogan Dawes <lists at dawes.za.net> wrote:
>>>>> Laurence Casey wrote:
>>>>>> >  This is normal behavior since I have a script that runs to make sure
>>>>>> > all lists are configured in a way to help reduce spam. I would prefer
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > keep it this way and not have a list with special exception. Their is
>>>>>> > not reason people should want to post to a list they are not subscribed
>>>>>> > to anyway.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --Larry
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I take issue with the statement that people have no reason to want
>>>>> to post to a list that they are not subscribed to. It is a fairly common
>>>>> thing to have a single question, post to the list to get an answer, and
>>>>> then vanish again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That said, having moderated a list that was configured the way that
>>>>> Pravir is asking for, it's really not worth the effort dealing with all
>>>>> the spam that was previously being bounced, and now suddenly needs to be
>>>>> moderated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Larry's settings really are a good compromise between convenience for
>>>>> the users and convenience for the list owner.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rogan
>>>>> 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 9/14/09 12:02 PM, "Pravir Chandra" <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     Apologies if I should be sending this some place more specific, but
>>>>>> >     some mailing list settings have been driving me nuts and I'm not
>>>>>> >     sure who to ask.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     For the SAMM mailing list, I made some settings changes to allow
>>>>>> >     non-members to post (with moderation) but after a few minutes of it
>>>>>> >     working correctly, it seems to reset itself. Does anyone else have
>>>>>> >     this problem or am I just being dim somehow?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     p.
>>>>>> >
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