[Owasp-leaders] Mailing list madness

Laurence Casey larry.casey at owasp.org
Wed Sep 16 14:19:35 EDT 2009


I¹ll take on the migration. It would be very cool if somebody could
coordinate getting people to use it. This would require some downtime. I
will let everyone know how long once I figure it out.

--Larry


On 9/16/09 1:56 PM, "Tom Brennan - OWASP" <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:

> Google Groups = easy for everyone
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/owasp-foundation
> 
>  <http://groups.google.com/group/owasp-foundation> The hardpart is the
> migration in a controlled manner and sounds like another project who has some
> bandwidth to spare?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Brad Causey <bradcausey at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Yea I'm a member of a few other organizations that use the Google Groups, and
>> it is a fantastic alternative. I don't see much of a downside.
>> 
>> 
>> -Brad Causey
>> CISSP, MCSE, C|EH, CIFI, CGSP
>> 
>> http://www.owasp.org
>> --
>> Never underestimate the time, expense, and effort an opponent will expend to
>> break a code. (Robert Morris)
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Pravir Chandra <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> I also take issue with the notion that there's no reason for people to post
>>> to a list they're not subscribed to (for the same reasons as Rogan). It's a
>>> matter of whether you're building an inclusive or exclusive community around
>>> a given project. For my project, I'm trying to build a user community with
>>> open discussions and any little, tiny barrier-to-entry makes it far more
>>> difficult.
>>> 
>>> However, I do understand the spam problem. Having moderated the CLASP list
>>> for 2+ years with this problem, yes it's a pain. BUT, if you set the
>>> auto-discard and occasionally check the moderation queue, it's manageable.
>>> I'm not saying this should be the config for every list, but it should be at
>>> the project leader's discretion to change it from a default-discard to a
>>> moderated list.
>>> 
>>> Not to wander off the subject, by why are we (OWASP) still in the business
>>> of running a mailman instance in this day and age? We've already migrated
>>> all of email to Gmail, so why not migrate our lists to Google Groups (or
>>> some equivalent)? That solves the spam problem, adds a great forums/web
>>> interface and generally "just works". I'll volunteer the SAMM list as the
>>> first guinea pig for that migration since I really want/need the extra
>>> features.
>>> 
>>> p.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rogan Dawes <lists at dawes.za.net> wrote:
>>>> Laurence Casey wrote:
>>>>> >  This is normal behavior since I have a script that runs to make sure
>>>>> > all lists are configured in a way to help reduce spam. I would prefer to
>>>>> > keep it this way and not have a list with special exception. Their is
>>>>> > not reason people should want to post to a list they are not subscribed
>>>>> > to anyway.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --Larry
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I take issue with the statement that people have no reason to want
>>>> to post to a list that they are not subscribed to. It is a fairly common
>>>> thing to have a single question, post to the list to get an answer, and
>>>> then vanish again.
>>>> 
>>>> That said, having moderated a list that was configured the way that
>>>> Pravir is asking for, it's really not worth the effort dealing with all
>>>> the spam that was previously being bounced, and now suddenly needs to be
>>>> moderated.
>>>> 
>>>> Larry's settings really are a good compromise between convenience for
>>>> the users and convenience for the list owner.
>>>> 
>>>> Rogan
>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 9/14/09 12:02 PM, "Pravir Chandra" <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     Apologies if I should be sending this some place more specific, but
>>>>> >     some mailing list settings have been driving me nuts and I'm not
>>>>> >     sure who to ask.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     For the SAMM mailing list, I made some settings changes to allow
>>>>> >     non-members to post (with moderation) but after a few minutes of it
>>>>> >     working correctly, it seems to reset itself. Does anyone else have
>>>>> >     this problem or am I just being dim somehow?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     p.
>>>>> >
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