[Owasp-leaders] Mailing list madness

Helen Gao owasp.li at gmail.com
Wed Sep 16 13:41:53 EDT 2009


Good old Yahoo! group is another alternative.  As the administrators of
multiple Yahoo! Groups for the last decade, I have not received any real
complain.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Brad Causey <bradcausey at owasp.org> wrote:

> Yea I'm a member of a few other organizations that use the Google Groups,
> and it is a fantastic alternative. I don't see much of a downside.
>
>
> -Brad Causey
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> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Pravir Chandra <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> I also take issue with the notion that there's no reason for people to
>> post to a list they're not subscribed to (for the same reasons as Rogan).
>> It's a matter of whether you're building an inclusive or exclusive community
>> around a given project. For my project, I'm trying to build a user community
>> with open discussions and any little, tiny barrier-to-entry makes it far
>> more difficult.
>> However, I do understand the spam problem. Having moderated the CLASP list
>> for 2+ years with this problem, yes it's a pain. BUT, if you set the
>> auto-discard and occasionally check the moderation queue, it's manageable.
>> I'm not saying this should be the config for every list, but it should be at
>> the project leader's discretion to change it from a default-discard to a
>> moderated list.
>>
>> Not to wander off the subject, by why are we (OWASP) still in the business
>> of running a mailman instance in this day and age? We've already migrated
>> all of email to Gmail, so why not migrate our lists to Google Groups (or
>> some equivalent)? That solves the spam problem, adds a great forums/web
>> interface and generally "just works". I'll volunteer the SAMM list as the
>> first guinea pig for that migration since I really want/need the extra
>> features.
>>
>> p.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rogan Dawes <lists at dawes.za.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Laurence Casey wrote:
>>> >  This is normal behavior since I have a script that runs to make sure
>>> > all lists are configured in a way to help reduce spam. I would prefer
>>> to
>>> > keep it this way and not have a list with special exception. Their is
>>> > not reason people should want to post to a list they are not subscribed
>>> > to anyway.
>>> >
>>> > --Larry
>>>
>>> Well, I take issue with the statement that people have no reason to want
>>> to post to a list that they are not subscribed to. It is a fairly common
>>> thing to have a single question, post to the list to get an answer, and
>>> then vanish again.
>>>
>>> That said, having moderated a list that was configured the way that
>>> Pravir is asking for, it's really not worth the effort dealing with all
>>> the spam that was previously being bounced, and now suddenly needs to be
>>> moderated.
>>>
>>> Larry's settings really are a good compromise between convenience for
>>> the users and convenience for the list owner.
>>>
>>> Rogan
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 9/14/09 12:02 PM, "Pravir Chandra" <chandra at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     Apologies if I should be sending this some place more specific, but
>>> >     some mailing list settings have been driving me nuts and I'm not
>>> >     sure who to ask.
>>> >
>>> >     For the SAMM mailing list, I made some settings changes to allow
>>> >     non-members to post (with moderation) but after a few minutes of it
>>> >     working correctly, it seems to reset itself. Does anyone else have
>>> >     this problem or am I just being dim somehow?
>>> >
>>> >     p.
>>> >
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