[Owasp-leaders] What is the OWASP definition of Open Source?

Stephen Craig Evans stephencraig.evans at gmail.com
Mon Nov 17 08:59:21 EST 2008


Yes, I was checking up on the Lua licensing for my project; there's a
thread on the Lua mailing list:

    * Subject: Lua licensing thoughts
    * From: Rob Hoelz <rob at ...>
    * Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:35:41 -0500
http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2008-09/msg00602.html

with 26 entries. I got a headache pretty fast trying to figure it out.

Stephen

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Ivan Ristic <ivan.ristic at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, you should consider that it is the corporates who paid for us
> all to meet in Portugal. We obviously don't want to sell out, but we
> need funding in order to support our cause. Even if we didn't, I don't
> think taking a hard stance would be productive. A few other thoughts:
>
> - An average technical person has no clue about licensing, open source
> or not. Even many of those who support open source and contribute (and
> have their own open source projects) know little of the licences they
> are using.
>
> - Licensing matters are not for technical people to decide on. That's
> lawyers' job. So, lawyers _are_ our target users.
>
> - Lawyers are generally right to be suspicious of open source.
> Firstly, most licences are terribly ambiguous. Secondly, for most open
> source projects (OWASP included), it is impossible to determine who
> contributed what, and whether they had the right to contribute in the
> first place. I've raised this issue once before, but we need to clean
> up our act when it comes to licensing. Not only we need to be aware of
> the licences we are using, but we need to have a process in place to
> make sure that we don't have tainted code in our repositories.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Craig Evans
> <stephencraig.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi James,
>>
>> I echo Juan Carlos Calderon's thoughts:
>> "
>> Are we overseen our OWASP users when taking this decision?
>> Do our corporate members motive behind joining OWASP was willing to
>> support OWASP or the dual licensing to have peace of mind?
>> Do we care what they think?
>> "
>>
>> Do we want to conform to corporate lawyers and and are we craving for
>> corporate acceptance?
>>
>> As witnessed personally at the EU Summit in Portugal, I think OWASP is
>> doing fine and dandy on their present course.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:02 AM, McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
>> <James.McGovern at thehartford.com> wrote:
>>> It is important to understand that within many large enterprises,
>>> lawyers do have a say as to what types of open source can be used. To
>>> the outside world, my comments will appear incoherent but to the inside
>>> world, the things I discuss are real world impediments.
>>>
>>> FACT, I can use Scarab but I can't use ESAPI. I hate debating rationale
>>> behind any thinking of any party, I just simply need for little
>>> nickel/dime stuff to be addressed.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Booth, Rex [mailto:Rex.Booth at GT.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:46 PM
>>> To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); jeff.williams at owasp.org
>>> Cc: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Owasp-leaders] What is the OWASP definition of Open
>>> Source?
>>>
>>> Lawyers also aren't the ones using OWASP products.  I have faith that
>>> those who do use them are competent enough to provide the relevant
>>> information to their legal oversight.
>>>
>>> That said, the newly formed Web Site committee may want to take this as
>>> an action item...
>>>
>>> Rex Booth, CISSP, PMP
>>> Manager
>>> Global Public Sector
>>> Grant Thornton LLP
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