[Owasp-leaders] Let's not lose Sarah Baso too (22.5k USD needed)

Sarah Baso sarah.baso at owasp.org
Tue Apr 6 04:04:17 EDT 2004

I don't want to unnecessarily jump into this conversation - but wanted to
speak to a couple of your points Martin.

I am all for a fair process and have stated before (and still stand by my
assertion) that I am willing to go through an interview or formal
job/contract proposal submission process.  For what its worth, I was
interviewed by the then Industry Committee Chair (Yiannis Pavlosoglou) for
my position with the Industry Committee. I know Yiannis interviewed and
considered several others for the position.

Anyway, I am happy to answer questions and am all for openness and
transparency, so let me know where I can provide information to assist with

Sarah Baso

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Martin Knobloch
<martin.knobloch at owasp.org>wrote:

> No personal offence....and sorry if I am the rude German, but what is this
> discussion about?
>                Sarah is a OWASP contractor, hired on a hourly basis.
> Yes, I do aprechiate what Sarah does, but if we are talking business, we
> have to consider a lot more and be aware of an open and transparent process!
> We are a Open community. If we are hiring, we should to this on a fair
> process and basis. Right?
> I do not understand those emotional emails when it comes to business! Sorry
> Dinis, but I do not appreciate those panic emails!
> Making things more complicated, are we as non-profit organisation allowed
> to hire Sarah, as she is a friend to many and her husband being a chapter
> leader?
> ..we have made errors on that before, by hiring Dinis' wife and friends of
> Dinis for the OWASP summit.
> This is in the past and I will not discus the way this has happen, but we
> do not want to have conflicting interests again.
> So, anyone can give us legal advice on this?
> Anyhow...
> We need a clear statement of the tasks, estimate work load (is there enough
> for a full FTE?) and then go from there!
> As far as I know, Sarah and Kate where discussing on what tasks Sarah can
> support Kate.
> If we do need a FTE for tasks, currently performed by Sarah, we should see
> a open process to hire a FTE. This, as she has the OWASP and task
> experience, would be most likely Sarah, but is not bound to Sarah.
> This matter should be discussed by those who steering OWASP, the Foundation
> Board and committees!
> Cheers,
> -Martin
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:42 AM, <Venkatesh.Jagannathan at cognizant.com>wrote:
>> I second this move. Let us make it a point that every chapter leader
>> contributes minimum US$20 or US$50 to keep people like Sarah. I mean, 20$ is
>> not too much to ask for right?
>> Thanks & Regards,
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:
>> owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Craig Evans
>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:40 AM
>> To: Dinis Cruz
>> Cc: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-leaders] Let's not lose Sarah Baso too (22.5k USD
>> needed)
>> Hi Dinis,
>> I'll put in $100 USD. Tell me where to send the check and how to
>> direct it in order to pay Sarah.
>> While that I can stand on the soapbox, I will say this:
>> Being a lurker these last couple of years on the OWASP leaders list,
>> IMHO we need to pay and keep a core group of people to keep it going.
>> There are 3 types of OWASPers, the super-people who are always there
>> (I don't want to name names and risk leaving somebody off the list);
>> the contributors who are constant; and, in my case, the contributors
>> that put in bursts when they have the time.
>> We can't rely on the super-people to be there forever; we have to pay
>> a core group to keep the lights on. Has this core group been
>> identified yet? I know Kate & Paolo, and now we have ex-Larry (sorry
>> if I missed somebody else).
>> As a former member of the membership committee, I pushed for cutting
>> the funds to the chapters whenever the "Mother Ship" needed the
>> funding. To me, chapters "getting a cut of the action" is a
>> nice-to-have, whereas keeping the core is a need-to-have.
>> If anybody is wondering, even though my participation in OWASP has
>> been minimal the last 2 years, I pay my annual dues.
>> Just my opinion,
>> Stephen
>> --
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stephencraigevans
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Dinis Cruz <dinis at ddplus.net> wrote:
>> > On the topic of OWASP administrative/support resources (following on
>> from Larry's thread), let's not lose Sarah Baso too.
>> >
>> > I'm going to assume that most of you (by now) have seen Sarah Baso in
>> action and understand that it would be a catastrophic error for OWASP to
>> lose her (if you have questions please raise them, and I'm sure that there
>> will be enough stories and comments to change your mind)
>> >
>> > To cut a long story short, after Sarah's amazing performance at the last
>> Summit, the idea was to hire Sarah as a Full Time OWASP contractor/employee.
>> >
>> > In terms of compensation Sarah (who has a degree in Law btw), took into
>> account OWASP's financial situation and how much she loves our community,
>> and asked for a very modest and reasonable 20 USD per hour. This would be
>> the equivalent of 160 USD per day (8h day), 800 USD per week and 3,600 a
>> month and 43,200 a year). Of course that Sarah will work (on average) more
>> than 8h a day, so anywhere you look at this it is a great deal for OWASP.
>> >
>> > The problem is that since the OWASP board has devolved the funds to the
>> OWASP committees and chapters (which is a good thing) there are not enough
>> central funds to cover this cost, and so far, the ones with funds have not
>> come together and created a solution for this.
>> >
>> > So here is my request, for the ones with funds available (committees and
>> chapters),  PLEASE come together and commit 22,500 USD (25.500 USD in some
>> parts of the world :) ) to cover for 6 months of Sarah's salary (and create
>> time for a more permanent solution). I would propose that this would be from
>> the 1st of July till the 31st of December (since Sarah has been already
>> putting the hours since).
>> >
>> > Sarah SHOULD not be seen as a volunteer. She provides admin and
>> infrastructure support which NEEDS to be paid.
>> >
>> > FYI, this thread started at BlackHat last week week when I realised to
>> my horror that Sarah's contractual situation was still not resolved (I think
>> at the time there was only 5k USD been made available for specific work on a
>> couple committees). I spoke to her at length, and she is still very
>> motivated to work for OWASP. She has great  ideas for how OWASP could be
>> organised and where she can help, BUT, after asking too many times, she has
>> given up in asking for a solution (she is also happy to have this 'personal'
>> conversation in public). The ball is on our court, so let's make this
>> happen!
>> >
>> > Finally, there are other ways to raise this 22.5k USD, but before we go
>> down those roads, we need to know how much funds can OWASP commit to Sarah.
>> >
>> > Let's not lose Sarah too.....
>> >
>> > Dinis Cruz
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