[Owasp-leaders] Let's not lose Sarah Baso too (22.5k USD needed)

Martin Knobloch martin.knobloch at owasp.org
Tue Apr 6 01:45:11 EDT 2004

No personal offence....and sorry if I am the rude German, but what is this
discussion about?

               Sarah is a OWASP contractor, hired on a hourly basis.

Yes, I do aprechiate what Sarah does, but if we are talking business, we
have to consider a lot more and be aware of an open and transparent process!
We are a Open community. If we are hiring, we should to this on a fair
process and basis. Right?

I do not understand those emotional emails when it comes to business! Sorry
Dinis, but I do not appreciate those panic emails!
Making things more complicated, are we as non-profit organisation allowed to
hire Sarah, as she is a friend to many and her husband being a chapter
..we have made errors on that before, by hiring Dinis' wife and friends of
Dinis for the OWASP summit.
This is in the past and I will not discus the way this has happen, but we do
not want to have conflicting interests again.
So, anyone can give us legal advice on this?

We need a clear statement of the tasks, estimate work load (is there enough
for a full FTE?) and then go from there!
As far as I know, Sarah and Kate where discussing on what tasks Sarah can
support Kate.
If we do need a FTE for tasks, currently performed by Sarah, we should see a
open process to hire a FTE. This, as she has the OWASP and task experience,
would be most likely Sarah, but is not bound to Sarah.

This matter should be discussed by those who steering OWASP, the Foundation
Board and committees!


On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:42 AM, <Venkatesh.Jagannathan at cognizant.com>wrote:

> I second this move. Let us make it a point that every chapter leader
> contributes minimum US$20 or US$50 to keep people like Sarah. I mean, 20$ is
> not too much to ask for right?
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> From: owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:
> owasp-leaders-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Craig Evans
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:40 AM
> To: Dinis Cruz
> Cc: owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-leaders] Let's not lose Sarah Baso too (22.5k USD
> needed)
> Hi Dinis,
> I'll put in $100 USD. Tell me where to send the check and how to
> direct it in order to pay Sarah.
> While that I can stand on the soapbox, I will say this:
> Being a lurker these last couple of years on the OWASP leaders list,
> IMHO we need to pay and keep a core group of people to keep it going.
> There are 3 types of OWASPers, the super-people who are always there
> (I don't want to name names and risk leaving somebody off the list);
> the contributors who are constant; and, in my case, the contributors
> that put in bursts when they have the time.
> We can't rely on the super-people to be there forever; we have to pay
> a core group to keep the lights on. Has this core group been
> identified yet? I know Kate & Paolo, and now we have ex-Larry (sorry
> if I missed somebody else).
> As a former member of the membership committee, I pushed for cutting
> the funds to the chapters whenever the "Mother Ship" needed the
> funding. To me, chapters "getting a cut of the action" is a
> nice-to-have, whereas keeping the core is a need-to-have.
> If anybody is wondering, even though my participation in OWASP has
> been minimal the last 2 years, I pay my annual dues.
> Just my opinion,
> Stephen
> --
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stephencraigevans
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Dinis Cruz <dinis at ddplus.net> wrote:
> > On the topic of OWASP administrative/support resources (following on from
> Larry's thread), let's not lose Sarah Baso too.
> >
> > I'm going to assume that most of you (by now) have seen Sarah Baso in
> action and understand that it would be a catastrophic error for OWASP to
> lose her (if you have questions please raise them, and I'm sure that there
> will be enough stories and comments to change your mind)
> >
> > To cut a long story short, after Sarah's amazing performance at the last
> Summit, the idea was to hire Sarah as a Full Time OWASP contractor/employee.
> >
> > In terms of compensation Sarah (who has a degree in Law btw), took into
> account OWASP's financial situation and how much she loves our community,
> and asked for a very modest and reasonable 20 USD per hour. This would be
> the equivalent of 160 USD per day (8h day), 800 USD per week and 3,600 a
> month and 43,200 a year). Of course that Sarah will work (on average) more
> than 8h a day, so anywhere you look at this it is a great deal for OWASP.
> >
> > The problem is that since the OWASP board has devolved the funds to the
> OWASP committees and chapters (which is a good thing) there are not enough
> central funds to cover this cost, and so far, the ones with funds have not
> come together and created a solution for this.
> >
> > So here is my request, for the ones with funds available (committees and
> chapters),  PLEASE come together and commit 22,500 USD (25.500 USD in some
> parts of the world :) ) to cover for 6 months of Sarah's salary (and create
> time for a more permanent solution). I would propose that this would be from
> the 1st of July till the 31st of December (since Sarah has been already
> putting the hours since).
> >
> > Sarah SHOULD not be seen as a volunteer. She provides admin and
> infrastructure support which NEEDS to be paid.
> >
> > FYI, this thread started at BlackHat last week week when I realised to my
> horror that Sarah's contractual situation was still not resolved (I think at
> the time there was only 5k USD been made available for specific work on a
> couple committees). I spoke to her at length, and she is still very
> motivated to work for OWASP. She has great  ideas for how OWASP could be
> organised and where she can help, BUT, after asking too many times, she has
> given up in asking for a solution (she is also happy to have this 'personal'
> conversation in public). The ball is on our court, so let's make this
> happen!
> >
> > Finally, there are other ways to raise this 22.5k USD, but before we go
> down those roads, we need to know how much funds can OWASP commit to Sarah.
> >
> > Let's not lose Sarah too.....
> >
> > Dinis Cruz
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