[OWASP-Ireland] MD5 fallout

Chris Madden chris.madden at trintech.com
Thu Aug 11 09:40:16 EDT 2005

I seem to remember something about a recent court case in Ireland that
mandated speed cameras produce a printout of the speeding offence details
i.e. a paper trail as best evidence.

If so, I think this loophole is covered :-(


Speeding being a criminal (as opposed to civil) offence requires evidence to
be beyond "a reasonable doubt". 

I would have thought that MD5 hashes even with current weaknesses were
beyond "a reasonable doubt" myself. 

But then, lawyers often cast doubt on electronic evidence in general when it





From: Owen Connolly [mailto:ojc at networkarchitects.ie] 
Sent: 11 August 2005 14:19
To: Eoin.Keary at allianz.ie
Cc: Tony Palmer; OWASP-Ireland at lists.sourceforge.net;
owasp-ireland-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [OWASP-Ireland] MD5 fallout


I think this is potentially worth investigation... Seeing as I've an
additional 2 coming very soon if I can't find a way out! ;-)








On 11 Aug 2005, at 14:53, Eoin.Keary at allianz.ie
<mailto:Eoin.Keary at allianz.ie>  wrote:

I wonder if the same goes for here in Ireland? 
MD5 and chain of custody of  evidence for the speeding offence? 

Maybe I can get rid of those two pesky points? 

Eoin Keary
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[OWASP-Ireland] MD5 fallout




A researcher breaks MD5 in China,and a guy dodges a speeding ticket in


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