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    If you want to use the Apache trademark at events see
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/events.html">https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/events.html</a><br>
    <br>
    If you want to use an Apache product trademark in a domain see
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html">https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html</a><br>
    <br>
    In commercial software products: <i>Since the primary goods of any
      Apache project is a software product provided free of charge to
      the general public, we do not generally allow third parties to use
      Apache brands in their software product branding</i>. <- BOOM.
    This is where Contrast type marketing would be absolutely and
    completely banned at Apache.<br>
    <br>
    For other questions, they have a legal support team to answer other
    questions.<br>
    <br>
    - Jim<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/1/15 1:35 AM, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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        <div>So does someone have to get approval before mentioning say
          "Apache Web Server" in a video comparing performance between
          IIS, Apache, and Nginx?  Or is there some mechanism to allow
          people to talk about Apache products without running awry of
          their brand guidelines?<br>
          <br>
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        ~josh<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Jim
          Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I did talked to the
              Apache marketing lead about project sponsorship<br>
              <br>
              I asked, why the current guide, how did you get there and
              does it work?<br>
              <br>
              The main points we discussed form <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/"
                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/">https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/</a></a>
              were:<br>
              <br>
              1) Sponsors of Apache and recognized on ONE page only: <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html"
                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html">http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html</a></a>
              <br>
              2) All Apache projects link back to this sponsorship page.
              <br>
              3) Corporate logos are not allowed on any Apache project <br>
              4) All project contributors are recognized as *individuals
              only* in a tabular list (without logos) which can include
              the company name they work for. For example: <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html">http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html</a></a><br>
              <br>
              The response was:<br>
              <br>
              1) The financial benefit to our marketing brand support
              limits (no per project sponsorship) is that we do not have
              to bucket donations into different project buckets. That
              would be an insane accounting nightmare that we removed
              when building this guide.<br>
              2) The use of Apache trademarks early on was getting to be
              a problem. <br>
              3) This limit led to MORE giant donations form Microsoft
              and others.<br>
              4) This limit let to MORE volunteerism<br>
              <br>
              Also, if someone wants to use the Apache brand for most
              cases outside of Apache, they need to ask permission and
              get approved.<br>
              <br>
              If you would like to join me in talking to them again, we
              can open a dialogue with <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:vp-brand@apache.org" target="_blank">vp-brand@apache.org</a>
              as a board.<br>
              <br>
              - Jim<br>
              <br>
              PS: At the time the board was not so inclined to shift
              OWASP in the direction of Apache. I think such a move
              would only augment OWASP in many ways. It's makes OWASP A
              more "safe place". OWASP is not so safe right now from a
              branding trust perspective IMO.
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                  <div>On 12/1/15 1:18 AM, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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                      <div>The notes from the meeting say "Perhaps
                        Michael or Simon could reach out to contacts"
                        with respect to Apache/Mozilla help here.  Have
                        we actually asked either of them to do it or has
                        someone else done it?<br>
                        <br>
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                      ~josh<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at
                        3:38 PM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org"
                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a></a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Matt,<br>
                            <br>
                            Absolutely, I would MUCH rather have legal
                            resources work on this than I. I'm ok to
                            spend money on this, it's very important.
                            IANALOASAIDWTBALOAS[*]<br>
                            <br>
                            Tom is always pushing me to "actually do
                            something, and not just talk about it" and
                            he is right. But this is a (much) better
                            course.<br>
                            <br>
                            Let do it.<br>
                            <br>
                            - Jim<br>
                            <br>
                            I<br>
                            Am<br>
                            Not<br>
                            A<br>
                            Lawyer<br>
                            Or<br>
                            A<br>
                            Sherif<br>
                            And<br>
                            I<br>
                            Don't<br>
                            Want<br>
                            To<br>
                            Be<br>
                            A<br>
                            Lawyer<br>
                            Or<br>
                            A<br>
                            Sherif
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                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <div>On 11/30/15 11:35 PM, Matt Konda
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Jim,
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                                    <div>We talked about both Apache and
                                      Mozilla.  I like this route too.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>We had hoped to enlist one of
                                      their legal team's support as part
                                      of their commitment to open source
                                      and to get more than just a
                                      starting point but a collaborative
                                      product.  That may or may not be
                                      realistic, but it seemed like a
                                      good way to get started.</div>
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                                    <div>Matt</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov
                                      30, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Jim Manico <span
                                        dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org"
                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a></a>></span>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        style="margin:0 0 0
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                                        solid;padding-left:1ex">Someone
                                        recently suggested we model a
                                        new OWASP brand guideline after
                                        the Apache foundation.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I discussed some of the details
                                        of this back in 2013<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2013-April/009123.html"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank">http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2013-April/009123.html</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        I'd be glad to draft a new
                                        policy with Josh and others if
                                        you would all like. I think it
                                        will do wonders to help keep
                                        benchmark-like issues at bay as
                                        well as give us a little muscle
                                        to clean up search term
                                        advertising using OWASP.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        - Jim<br>
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Jim Manico
Global Board Member
OWASP Foundation
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.owasp.org" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a>
Join me in Rome for AppSecEU 2016</pre>
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Jim Manico
Global Board Member
OWASP Foundation
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.owasp.org">https://www.owasp.org</a>
Join me in Rome for AppSecEU 2016</pre>
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