<div dir="ltr">Yes. I believe Claudia was working on that.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Noreen Whysel</div><div>Community Manager</div><div>OWASP Foundation</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    May I suggest that the project folk work on that one...  :)<br>
    <br>
    - Jim<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 10/19/15 5:59 PM, Fabio Cerullo
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      Thanks Noreen. Could you please also come up with a definition for
      active (project) leader?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
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                <div>Fabio Cerullo</div>
                <div>Global Board Member</div>
                OWASP Foundation
                <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a></div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div>On 19 Oct 2015, at 4:51 p.m., Noreen Whysel
              <<a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank">noreen.whysel@owasp.org</a>>
              wrote:</div>
            <br>
            <div>
              <div dir="ltr">Here are the links to these
                chapters:
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Active Chapter Definition:</div>
                <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules</a></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Active Chapter Leader Definition:</div>
                <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance</a><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>The definitions could go before the
                  Contact Us section here:</div>
                <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview</a><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>Noreen Whysel</div>
                      <div>Community Manager</div>
                      <div>OWASP Foundation</div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:49
                  AM, Noreen Whysel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank">noreen.whysel@owasp.org</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <div dir="ltr">I have added my definition
                      of Active Chapter to the lead paragraph of Chapter
                      2 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I have added the definition of an
                        Active Leader to the first bullet under 5.1
                        Leadership in Chapter 5 of the Chapter Leader
                        Handbook.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Any references to Active Chapter or
                        Active Chapter Leader should link to these
                        definitions.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Alternatively (or in addition), we
                        could put a section on Definitions in Chapter 1:
                        Handbook Overview.</div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all">
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div>Noreen Whysel</div>
                              <div>Community Manager</div>
                              <div>OWASP Foundation</div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                      </span>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 16, 2015
                            at 6:06 PM, Noreen Whysel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank">noreen.whysel@owasp.org</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                              <div dir="auto">
                                <div>Ok. Just a clarification.
                                  Since chapter leaders can't update SF
                                  it can't be part of the requirement.
                                  Wiki page and Mailman admin is all
                                  they need.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>;)<span><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Noreen Whysel<br>
                                    </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">Community Manager</span>
                                    <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">OWASP Foundation</span></div>
                                  </span></div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul
                                      Ritchie <<a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div>
                                        <div dir="ltr">Thanks,
                                          good feedback.
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Notice locations
                                            - In addition to buried in
                                            handbook, I think the second
                                            highest priority would be to
                                            highlight that definition on
                                            a chapter homepage.    More
                                            then that is to many places.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>2 meetings
                                            before $500....No, I was
                                            just trying to stimulate the
                                            thought process.  Board did
                                            comment that they thought a
                                            first meeting would be
                                            needed anyway to generate a
                                            second leader.</div>
                                          <div>So....if you and
                                            want to make this decision
                                            NOW....I'm OK with   1)
                                            complete all your 'normal'
                                            new chapter paperwork, plus
                                            2) must have a second leader
                                            officially named on wiki and
                                            SF database.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>3.  Re Ghana - I
                                            will expect all staff to
                                            'hold the line'   $500 is
                                            designed as an incentive to
                                            "be active" 'get shared'
                                            leadership and 'be
                                            responsive.    If there is
                                            no update....there is no
                                            money.    If he is
                                            responsive and meets
                                            requirements....wow =
                                            incentive money.</div>
                                          <div>I imagine there
                                            may be several of
                                            these....either not
                                            responsive, or can't find
                                            that 2nd leader.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Paul</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div>Best
                                                      Regards, Paul
                                                      Ritchie</div>
                                                    <div>OWASP
                                                      Executive Director</div>
                                                    <div><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:36
                                            PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank">noreen.whysel@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              <div dir="auto">
                                                <div>Q1 chapter
                                                  handbook under
                                                  governance chapter
                                                  only. Everywhere else
                                                  we mention active
                                                  leaders can link to
                                                  that section but o
                                                  don't think it is wise
                                                  to have it all over
                                                  the place in case it
                                                  changes over time.
                                                  Projects handbook
                                                  probably has a place
                                                  that makes sense where
                                                  it discusses leaders.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Implementation: </div>
                                                <div>-notice to
                                                  leader list and next
                                                  news flash</div>
                                                <div>-email
                                                  alert to all leaders
                                                  (same list as the
                                                  monthly finding
                                                  announcement) and
                                                  include info on how to
                                                  make sure all your
                                                  leaders are on the
                                                  Owasp-leaders list by
                                                  adding them to Mailman
                                                  admin field.</div>
                                                <div>-edit new
                                                  leader welcome and
                                                  Chapter Active?
                                                  Templates on SF.</div>
                                                <div>-personal
                                                  email to any leader
                                                  who has discussed
                                                  upcoming events or
                                                  funding requirements.</div>
                                                <div>-probably
                                                  should do a joint
                                                  hangout with Tobias
                                                  and a 24/7 Podcast to
                                                  discuss the proposals
                                                  and what it means for
                                                  chapter and project
                                                  leaders when the votes
                                                  are complete.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Q2 So
                                                  chapters would be
                                                  required to go out of
                                                  pocket or find a local
                                                  sponsor for two
                                                  meetings before they
                                                  can get funding? Is
                                                  this a new addition
                                                  that the board came up
                                                  with or just something
                                                  we are knocking around
                                                  on staff? <span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I think
                                                    this would be
                                                    prohibitive in some
                                                    areas. </span>It's
                                                  a bit Catch 22. I fear
                                                  that a sponsor would
                                                  want to know that a
                                                  chapter is a going
                                                  concern before putting
                                                  out funds. At the same
                                                  time a new chapter
                                                  leader is only going
                                                  to put himself out of
                                                  he knows he has
                                                  foundation funding to
                                                  host a successful
                                                  meeting and draw
                                                  attendance.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Btw at
                                                  present Ghana would
                                                  not qualify for
                                                  funding because he
                                                  hasn't updated the
                                                  wiki in two years. I
                                                  have told him that he
                                                  needs to do it but his
                                                  response is sort of
                                                  Yeah, Yeah or no
                                                  response. That worries
                                                  me particularly since
                                                  he is asking me to
                                                  help find speakers.<span><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Noreen Whysel
                                                    <div>Community
                                                      Manager</div>
                                                    <div>OWASP
                                                      Foundation</div>
                                                  </span></div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      On Oct 16, 2015,
                                                      at 5:10 PM, Paul
                                                      Ritchie <<a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div dir="ltr">Hi....OK,
                                                          if thats the
                                                          jist of it and
                                                          it covers the
                                                          Johanna
                                                          comments per
                                                          Josh's
                                                          email...that
                                                          I'm good.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          next step is
                                                          cutting and
                                                          pasting this
                                                          into our
                                                          'official
                                                          communication'
                                                          about these
                                                          changes to the
                                                          community.  
                                                          Sharing that
                                                          draft
                                                          implementation
                                                          plan at least
                                                          internally
                                                          with staff,
                                                          getting
                                                          consensus on
                                                          timeline and
                                                          then
                                                          launching.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A
                                                          few, like
                                                          proposal #4
                                                          allow the $500
                                                          to be
                                                          allocated at
                                                          any NEW
                                                          Chapter, <u>effective
                                                          immediately</u>,
                                                          once it
                                                          completes all
                                                          its new
                                                          chapter tasks
                                                          and has 2
                                                          Active
                                                          leaders.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Q1
                                                           Have you
                                                          considered
                                                          where and when
                                                          you would post
                                                          this new
                                                          information on
                                                          the wiki? 
                                                          Chapter
                                                          handbook is
                                                          fine, but
                                                          other
                                                          locations....and
                                                          then your
                                                          timeline to
                                                          complete, ie.
                                                          how will you
                                                          implement?  is
                                                          the basis of
                                                          my question.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Q2..Must
                                                          a new Chapter
                                                          hold its first
                                                          meeting, or
                                                          perhaps 2
                                                          meetings to
                                                          qualify for
                                                          the "new
                                                          chapter funds?</div>
                                                          <div>Or,
                                                          for proposal
                                                          #4,  is our
                                                          implementation
                                                          plan to ensure
                                                          they meet the
                                                          minimum
                                                          requirement of
                                                          2 leaders
                                                          defined, and
                                                          then all
                                                          normal new
                                                          Chapter
                                                          information
                                                          documented in
                                                          Wiki and Sales
                                                          force...without
                                                          needing a
                                                          requirement
                                                          for a 1st
                                                          meeting.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Net
                                                          net Noreen, I
                                                          will be
                                                          documenting
                                                          and drafting
                                                          up the
                                                          implementation
                                                          project on the
                                                          budgeting
                                                          proposals,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I
                                                          was looking to
                                                          have you lead
                                                          the
                                                          implementation
                                                          of the new
                                                          chapter
                                                          funding
                                                          communication
                                                          &
                                                          rules...aligned
                                                          with Claudia
                                                          re: new
                                                          projects.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Of
                                                          course, I'm
                                                          totally open
                                                          to more ideas
                                                          if you have
                                                          some other
                                                          ideas on How
                                                          best to define
                                                          &
                                                          communicate
                                                          'what was just
                                                          approved' and
                                                          how we will
                                                          implement?  
                                                          It just needs
                                                          to get done
                                                          and I want to
                                                          confirm owners
                                                          for each
                                                          portion of
                                                          work effort.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Paul</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Best
                                                          Regards, Paul
                                                          Ritchie</div>
                                                          <div>OWASP
                                                          Executive
                                                          Director</div>
                                                          <div><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Oct 16,
                                                          2015 at 1:21
                                                          PM, Noreen
                                                          Whysel OWASP <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:noreen.whysel@owasp.org" target="_blank">noreen.whysel@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="auto">
                                                          <div>My
                                                          impression is
                                                          that the board
                                                          is satisfied
                                                          with my
                                                          definition of
                                                          an active
                                                          leader. Is
                                                          there
                                                          something
                                                          missing from
                                                          your POV from
                                                          these two
                                                          requirements:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-Must
                                                          have contact
                                                          information
                                                          clearly
                                                          accessible
                                                          from
                                                          chapter/project/initiative
                                                          page.</div>
                                                          <div>-Must
                                                          be responsive
                                                          to inquiries
                                                          (i.e. Reply
                                                          within 7
                                                          business days)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Noreen Whysel
                                                          <div>Community
                                                          Manager</div>
                                                          <div>OWASP
                                                          Foundation</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          On Oct 16,
                                                          2015, at 1:13
                                                          PM, Paul
                                                          Ritchie <<a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                          Noreen - I see
                                                          your email
                                                          below but all
                                                          my impressions
                                                          are that the
                                                          BoD is
                                                          expected us on
                                                          Staff to
                                                          "lead" this
                                                          discussion.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div>Fabio
                                                          isn't going to
                                                          do it....and
                                                          since 'we'
                                                          will be
                                                          implementing
                                                          and answering
                                                          all chapter
                                                          level
                                                          questions,
                                                          than WE , and
                                                          by functional
                                                          responsibility....You,
                                                          are the one to
                                                          summarize
                                                          responses and
                                                          propose final
                                                          definition of
                                                          Active Leader.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Can
                                                          you do that
                                                          Monday or
                                                          Tuesday at the
                                                          latest. </div>
                                                          <div>Basically
                                                          send out the
                                                          preferred
                                                          definition, as
                                                          a draft, that
                                                          would allow
                                                          you or me to
                                                          make a pretty
                                                          clear decision
                                                          if the leader
                                                          is
                                                          Active...with
                                                          a minimum of
                                                          potential
                                                          dispute.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><i>Noreen
                                                          Whysel</i></div>
                                                          <div><i>5:16
                                                          am (1 day ago)</i></div>
                                                          <div><i>to
                                                          Fabio, OWASP </i><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><i>I
                                                          have given my
                                                          suggestions.
                                                          When you have
                                                          agreed on a
                                                          final
                                                          definition I
                                                          will
                                                          incorporate it
                                                          into the
                                                          Chapter Leader
                                                          Handbook. </i></div>
                                                          <div><i><br>
                                                          </i></div>
                                                          <div><i>It is
                                                          also important
                                                          to consider
                                                          Claudia and
                                                          Johanna's
                                                          definition of
                                                          an active
                                                          project and
                                                          active project
                                                          leader. I
                                                          presume it is
                                                          similar, ie,
                                                          meets minimum
                                                          requirements/responsive,
                                                          but not sure
                                                          if different
                                                          levels of
                                                          projects would
                                                          have different
                                                          requirements.</i></div>
                                                          <div><i>Noreen </i><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Best
                                                          Regards, Paul
                                                          Ritchie</div>
                                                          <div>OWASP
                                                          Executive
                                                          Director</div>
                                                          <div><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div>
                                                          <div>BAsic</div>
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